I am looking at purchasing a '92 Celica GTS that has a knock in the engine. the owner said he has a motor that is a 2.0 liter (he thought was a 20R) that he said he was going to drop in and using the original engines 2.2 liter (22R-?) heads for. Are these the correct engines, and is this swap possible? Finally, I have a 3SGE engine that has 0 miles on it out of an '88 GTS. Would this engine work in the 92? If so, what modifications would be needed?
the 3SGE doesnt bolt in, or exist.......the 3SGTE does, and it does bolt in with a wiring harness swap, and the 3SFE, and 4SFE replace the 5SFE and not only that, the 1MZFE does too
Thanks for the suggestions Chris. I must correct you though. My '88 Celica GTS had a 3SGE twin cam engine. The Celica GT's had 3SFE engines. They were not twin cams. The reason I know this is I made the mistake of buying an '87 Celica GT body to put my engine in, and the mechanic told me about the difference, and said I would have to change the ECU and wiring harness for the engine to work in the GT. I think the 3SGE was only put in '87-89 Celica GTS's.
No problem, sorry about the mistake.....i wasnt sure lol, but i know the question, its asked frequently on *************.com.......the 5th gen is my fav, its so tunable......the 7th gens look like a wanna-be 350Z lol
Would you know where i could find a replacement exhaust camshaft and tiedown things that hold down BOTH shafts on my 2.2L 5SFE????
....The Celica GT's had 3SFE engines. They were not twin cams. .....I think the 3SGE was only put in '87-89 Celica GTS's.
Correction:
The 86 GT had the 2SE SOHC (single over head cam);
the 87-89 GT had the 3SFE DOHC (double over head cam) therefore it IS a twin cam.
The 3SGE (1st Generation) came in the 86-89 GTS.
You can put the 3SGE into your 92GTS, for that matter, any "S" series engine will bolt up but you will have to swap over the ECU, wiring harness and any other anciliaries that go with it.
The 92 GTS did not come with the 20R or 22R engine; they are not compatible with your car; they came in the earlier RWD Celicas. Your 92 GTS came stock with the 2.2 litre 5SFE - a completely different engine and obviously the least amount of fuss and bother to put back into your car. 3SGE and 5SFE both have same 135 HP but the 5SFE has more low-mid range torque than the 3SGE. However, the 3SGE has better breathing and has the advantage at high revs and performs better at high speed. The 5SFE is classified by Toyota as an economy motor and the 3SGE as a performance motor.
Thanks for the clarifications Rick. Actually, I don't have the 92 yet. I am looking at purchasing one. I might get the car, and put my 3SGE engine in it. As for the 3SFE vs 3SGE, I only said the "FE" wasn't a twin cam because my "GE" motor has 2 independent valve covers, and says "twin cam", where the "FE" engine that is in my '87 GT is a single valve cover, and doesn't say "twin cam." I knew both were DOHC's.
I appreciate your help. I feel better with the purchase now as I actually like the '92 model body style.
the 3SGE doesnt bolt in, or exist.......the 3SGTE does, and it does bolt in with a wiring harness swap, and the 3SFE, and 4SFE replace the 5SFE and not only that, the 1MZFE does too
I think you need to re-examine where your getting your information.
Milltime: Assuming your in the States, the GT-S came with the 2.2L 5SFE, same as the GT. Since the motor is an S-series, other S series motors will bolt right in. This includes the 3SGE, which DOES EXIST , and the 3SGTE.
The 1MZFE is a V6 motor, and will be an increase in work, and a decrease in power. You could easily throw in another 5sfe motor, but I wouldn't touch a 3SFE nor 4SFE.
You will need to convert parts of the harnesses to be compatible if you swap motors, phoenixtuning is a great place for this.
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Thanks for the clarifications Rick. Actually, I don't have the 92 yet. I am looking at purchasing one. I might get the car, and put my 3SGE engine in it. As for the 3SFE vs 3SGE, I only said the "FE" wasn't a twin cam because my "GE" motor has 2 independent valve covers, and says "twin cam", where the "FE" engine that is in my '87 GT is a single valve cover, and doesn't say "twin cam." I knew both were DOHC's.
I appreciate your help. I feel better with the purchase now as I actually like the '92 model body style.
No problem, just trying to help you with whatever I know so you can make an informed decision. Good luck and let us know how everything turns out.
PS - I prefer the 4th Gen body style but you probably already guessed that
This is an update. Well, I went to look at the '92 Celica and found out it was a GT, not a GT-S. I am now thinking it would be best to just transfer my 3SGE engine into my '87 Celica GT at home that needs an engine. I assume I would need to replace the ECU and wiring harness to do this. Am I right? Thanks again for all the great feedback!
This is an update. Well, I went to look at the '92 Celica and found out it was a GT, not a GT-S.
They both use the 5SFE motor = 135 hp.
Biggest difference is the GTS' "wide-body" versus the GT 'narrow-body' and the luxury options.
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I am now thinking it would be best to just transfer my 3SGE engine into my '87 Celica GT at home that needs an engine. I assume I would need to replace the ECU and wiring harness to do this. Am I right?
Yep. Also note that the stock GTS has the starter motor mounted towards the passenger side of the tranny bellhousing (directly under the exhaust manifold), whereas the stock GT has it mounted extending towards the driver side. You may have to take that into account, along with any clutch and pressure plate compatibility issues. If you swap engine+tranny as a unit, you may have to swap out CV axles too, as the GTS axles are splined, while the GT axles use 6 hex bolts.
I don't think the starter motor will be an issue but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe some of the others can chime in with their expertise....
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Hello again!
I am now thinking it would be best to just transfer my 3SGE engine into my '87 Celica GT at home that needs an engine. I assume I would need to replace the ECU and wiring harness to do this. Am I right? Thanks again for all the great feedback!
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