hey i'm looking for some help here....i used to be a honda person so im not too familiar with toyotas. i just recently bought an 02 celica gt about 3 months ago and i never really knew the difference between the gt and the gt-s when i bought it but all everyone ever asks me why didnt you get a gt-s? so i called my buddy at the performance shop asking him how much he could do a gt-s swap for me....and he was telling me something like that all of the newer celicas have USDM motors in them and if i was gonna spend the money for a swap i might as well get a jdm motor....he told me that he's not too familiar with toyotas either but that if i can decide what i want to swap he can do it for me. he told me to ask around in the forums....so thats what im doing
he was saying something about a 3s-gte or something like that i realy dunno what that is....so if someone could give me some advice....what would be the best motor/tranny i could swap without having to do a whole lot of modification and customizing? i really dont wana spend more than 2 or 3 g's on this so what would be my best option? and is there any possibilities for v6 or is it just too much money to be worth it?
GT is rated at 140HP.. It has a standard exhaust manifold and a plastic intake manifold. This motor does not allow the use of Lift, either.. Has a 5 speed manual.
GT-S is rated at 180HP.. It has an aluminum intake manifold with a 4-1 Header and uses LIFT (Much like V-TEC) engagement at 6,000RPMs.. has a 6 speed manual.
The GT's are also bad about blowing piston rings and the GT-S usually doesn't have difficult internal issues. A 3SGTE motor is from an MR2 or Alltrac Celica.. The problem with swapping is that you'll have to run an AWD tranny and the likes.. I believe Fensport can swap it all for 15k.
The problem with swapping a GT to a GT-S is that you'll have to swap the motor, transmission, harness, AND the ECU.. It would definitely be a pain in the ass.. And could take around 3 - 5k for the total process.. You may be better off selling the GT and using the money to purchase a GT-S.. I feel it'd be too much money to be worth the extra 40HP. For that kind of money you could just turbo the GT and smoke some anus.
Just buy a GT-S. The amount of money you spend on a 2ZZ-GE is not worth the extra 40hp. Remember that the motor is still new and its not going to be cheap. Sell the GT and buy a GT-S, or turbo it and your good to go. Oh the 3S-GTE is like what Warcry Celica said, it's found in the MR2 Turbo and Celica AllTrac (my sig). Do some research on the 3S-GTE and you be supprise how fast toyotas were back in the early 90's.
so ur saying 15k would include the awd (like the diff, the fabrication, the gas tank) and stuff like that?
and im pretty sure theres gotta be a diff tranny you can use right? my friend said i could always use a fwd tranny at first cuz im not in the position to spend like 15k, and then when i got the money for the awd i could just swap out the tranny and the other awd accessories.
It's 15k for the motor, tranny, misc parts, and labor. The total package. I don't believe it's possible to convert it to a FWD.. I'm sure you could have it converted to RWD.. BTW, I don't believe it's possible to swap to a V6
Just look at this way, if your going to do the AWD swap on the 00+ Celica, then might as well spend that money and buy a ST205. Just buy a turbo or buy a GT-S. If you really want AWD, then buy a ST185 (alltrac) and mod it.
Just look at this way, if your going to do the AWD swap on the 00+ Celica, then might as well spend that money and buy a ST205. Just buy a turbo or buy a GT-S. If you really want AWD, then buy a ST185 (alltrac) and mod it.
sorry but you need to be a bit more specific...what is a st205? and st185? i used to be a honda person before i got my toyota (and let me tell u after driving my toyota ill never go back to a honda) but the point is if your talking like k20, b18, d16 or shit like that id know what ur talking about but im not too familiar with toyota motors so i need a bit more info.
thanks.
and warcry.....my friend said that theres a fwd tranny that would work with the 3s-gte because in the mr2 its a rear engine so theres no diff....so it makes sense that if u get a tranny that fits it, you can make it fwd. but really i dont know alot about toyotas and well most hondas are fwd so i really dont know much about rwd and awd
Yeah that does make a lot of sense. So yeah, you could call it a FWD if it's being mounted at the front
It's funny that you say you'd never go back to Honda.. I bought my Toyota and my "honda" buddies in my area are trying desperately to get me to convert. To be honest, the only thing good that came out of a Honda (in my opinion) is the K20 and B18 motors.. I'm not a fan of a honda at all.. Unless of course you're in a 2JZ swapped S2000 lol. Toyota has been the best I've dealt with in my driving career, though.. It's hard to change over cause I wanted the new EVO X but it's crapass Mitsubishi. I'd rather take the TT Supra but I don't want to spend 30k on a motor with 125,000 miles on it. But oh well.. who knows. Let me know if you need anymore help.
The ST185 and ST205 are the codes for the different model cars. To brake it down a little futher:
S = "S" series engine
T = "Celica"
The 165 is the 88-89 Celica Turbo All-Trac (GT-Four) 190 Hp
The 185 is the 90-93 Celica Turbo All-Trac (GT-Four) 200+ HP
The 205 is the 94-99 Celica GT-Four (Never came here in the states) 250+ Hp
The number are the series cars:
16X are the 86-89 Celicas
18X are the 90-93 Celicas
20X are the 94-99 Celicas
The FWD tranny you are talking about is the E153 tranny (MR2 Turbo). Also the Camry 5speed tranny also works well. The issue with the 2000+ Celica is that swapping in the tranny is not just an easy drop and new mounts kind of thing. There is a lot more too it and requires a lot of custom work plus cutting and welding. The swap is also not as easy as Hondas as these two cars are completely different. You'll be spending way too much money and after that the car will still never perform as well as say a MR2 Turbo or Celica GT-Four (ST205) unless you’re looking at a complete competition car.
eh im still paying for the car, ive only made 3 payments on it so far, i just got it.....so i dunno really about buying a new car plus my credit is shit so it was such a big ordeal just to get this car.....i had to have her put the car in her name and drive it outta the dealership then refinance it into my name....plus im sure my insurance would skyrocket if i got a gt-s. how much hp does the gt-s motor alone give it? because if alot of the extra hp just comes from the headers/intake....i could just replace those with aftermarket. just curious though, how much does a ST205 usually cost?
There are some misleading information on here but in the end they all do get to the same point. Its very costly especially with your budget. If you ask me, a 2zz swap is definately worth it especially if you're already use to high rev engines. Some people talk like you can just easily sell your car and buy another. Its not that simple. In your case, I'd just look to turbocharging.
There are some misleading information on here but in the end they all do get to the same point. Its very costly especially with your budget. If you ask me, a 2zz swap is definately worth it especially if you're already use to high rev engines. Some people talk like you can just easily sell your car and buy another. Its not that simple. In your case, I'd just look to turbocharging.
but they are right about the 2zz being expensive. it still is new. but my buddy at the shop said all the last generation celica motors are usdm and he said if i was swapping i might as well go jdm.
but my friend told me that a 92 corolla transmission can be used with the 3sgte but i think im just gonna end up sticking with the 1zz and getting turbo. idk yet, im still gonna look into the 3sgte swap but i think 2zz would be too expensive cuz of how new they are.
but they are right about the 2zz being expensive. it still is new. but my buddy at the shop said all the last generation celica motors are usdm and he said if i was swapping i might as well go jdm.
but my friend told me that a 92 corolla transmission can be used with the 3sgte but i think im just gonna end up sticking with the 1zz and getting turbo. idk yet, im still gonna look into the 3sgte swap but i think 2zz would be too expensive cuz of how new they are.
The easier the swap, the cheaper it is. A 3sgte can be found in a US Toyota. It would be cheaper to swap a 2zz than a 3sgte. Theres less work into making a 2zz fit and run in a 7th gen Celica than there would be with a 3sgte swap. Yeah its a newer engine and pretty expensive but a 3sgte is also nowhere near cheap. Plus, there'll be more custom work that needs to be done with that swap. You're looking at an expensive swap whichever way you go. So I'll have to disagree with your friend. If you're looking for a swap, the best way doesn't have to mean go with jdm.
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