is it posible to install a 200x celica gt-s engine on a 87 celica gt-s
that is all of it, i mean fron suspension, direction, etc... i was yust wondering..... jejejeje and does it takes alot of mods to do it an of course $$$$?????
Why on earth would you do that? Just tell me thats about one of the dumbest ideas I have heard IMO! For one you have a 3SGE am I correct and you could not only take but prolly kill any 2zz or 1zz out there stock to stock. IMO not worth the money I would put a Honda engine in my 89 or 88 b4 I ever put a 1zz or 2zz in my car I think they engines just suck. You have if not the same or more performance parts for your 3SGE and you pack a decent punch stock. If anything save your money and go 3SGTE dont mess with that VVTI bs IMO!
... But then again this is my opinion...
I just dont think the new celicas are what they should be... I beat a GT-S 6 speed in my 3SFE for godsake and I was almost stock. Just CAI, Exhaust and New PLugs and Wires. Thats it. Like I said GO 3SGTE none of that VVTi crap unless you get a Beams 3SGE then I would love that all the way!! :p
Sorry If I offend anyone in advance but you know this is what I have seen and what I think..
They have them sometimes if you want N/A but I think the 3SGTE would be a easier and better choice for selection. Its up to you tho and its your choice. If I had the funds right now I would go 3SGTE but the 3SGE is doing me good for now so !
wich was the las year of the 3sge on a gt-s??
i my work ok but i want a newer one to rebuilt so i can still use my car in the proces then its just take one out and the rebuilt one in ......
Originally posted by dynamictuner Why on earth would you do that? Just tell me thats about one of the dumbest ideas I have heard IMO! For one you have a 3SGE am I correct and you could not only take but prolly kill any 2zz or 1zz out there stock to stock. IMO not worth the money I would put a Honda engine in my 89 or 88 b4 I ever put a 1zz or 2zz in my car I think they engines just suck. You have if not the same or more performance parts for your 3SGE and you pack a decent punch stock. If anything save your money and go 3SGTE dont mess with that VVTI bs IMO!
... But then again this is my opinion...
I just dont think the new celicas are what they should be... I beat a GT-S 6 speed in my 3SFE for godsake and I was almost stock. Just CAI, Exhaust and New PLugs and Wires. Thats it. Like I said GO 3SGTE none of that VVTi crap unless you get a Beams 3SGE then I would love that all the way!! :p
Sorry If I offend anyone in advance but you know this is what I have seen and what I think..
What the heck? I'm sorry, but I don't believe you took a 2000+ gts 6 speed with your 3sfe at all. Your stock 3sfe has like what, 115 hp? Your car would weigh around 2440 - 2540 lbs. Even with your little mods you only get around 10 hp, maybe. You're not even up to par with a gt celica. Also, just so you know, the 2zz is a better motor than your common honda b16 and b18 motors. Unless you raced a parked 2000+ gts 6 speed, theres no way you'd be able to even come close to passing one up. Not even a 4th generation all-trac can take on a 2000+ gts 6 speed stock for stock? Them WRX people have enough trouble with them. Also, the 1st generation 3sge stock for stock is a little short on hp with a 1zz. The car itself weighs around 2640 - 2680 lbs. Theres a 200 lbs difference with the 2000+ gt weighing from 2425 - 2460 lbs. So basically, a 4th generation gts can't even keep up with a 7th generation gt. Especially with that VVTI working it. The only thing that makes them Honda motors move is that VTEC. What do you think VVTI is, or even better, VVTL-I?
It is true though. That it would be a waste of time and money to drop in a 2zz. I won't argue with that. But, it does beat the heck out of dropping in a b18. Which is what you're saying you'd rather do.
let us keep in mind we are talking about swaps here. there are 4 different generations of 3sge, 4th gen making 210 hp. 2nd gen was up to 180 hp if im not badly mistaken. and let us also remember that we are talking about a 2L compared to a 1.8l the 3sge has a torque curve that will smash a 2zz. its basic engine tuning.
oh, and tubrog, take it easy on honda engines. my 2L makes 240 hp
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I can chill out, but making ridiculous claims is just uncall for. Also, I wasn't bashing on Honda's. I was stating some facts. If you read, I also stated that an 4th generation alltrac celica wouldn't be able to take on 7th generation gts. And, when I said the only thing that makes them Honda motors move is because of the VTEC, I also refered to the VVTI and the VVTL-I as all in the same.
But yes, swaps. 3sge motors: 2nd generation pushes out almost 160 hp. 3rd generation pushes out almost 180hp. There are two different 4th generations, a 200 hp found in a 6th generation celica and a 210 hp found in an Altezza. Your easier swaps would be with a 2nd or 3rd generation. It gets more technical as you go up in generations.
Originally posted by silverstreakin let us keep in mind we are talking about swaps here. there are 4 different generations of 3sge, 4th gen making 210 hp. 2nd gen was up to 180 hp if im not badly mistaken. and let us also remember that we are talking about a 2L compared to a 1.8l the 3sge has a torque curve that will smash a 2zz. its basic engine tuning.
oh, and tubrog, take it easy on honda engines. my 2L makes 240 hp
Very true about the torque curve. The 3S-GE/GTE is quite possibly the best 3-cylinder toyota has ever produced (no flame intended).
SilverStreakin'- S2000=nice car, but compared to most toyota 4-bangers, torque is a joke. C'mon 157lbs in a $30K car? Not 4 me!!! I personally thin that Honda torque is ridiculous, but I do love the looks of the S2000. (again, no flame intended, just an opinion)
First, everyone does know that theres nothing like displacement when it comes to torque. So we all can put that aside.
Second, if you look at a Honda 2.0 and a Toyota 2.0, the torque is closely the same. Take a look at the 2zz and a b18. Closely the same. But the problem with some of the Honda motors, like the type r motor and that of the s2000, is that they are tuned up so much that there isn't much left to do with them. Thats why most people prefer doing an ls/vtec with a gsr motor than that of a type r motor. Also, thats why so many people discredit the potential of an s2000. Then again, its also because of the high compression. Like that of the 2zz.
So basically, Honda is very capable of building motors with good torque. If you ask me, Toyota just like to please Americans more.
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