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Old 11-17-2005, 05:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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how cold.....

so as the winter sets in, i've noticed it takes longer and longer for the engine to crank on....out of curiosity, given this is my first winter in a matrix, how cold can you start your car? Any issues? (i always carry a battery warmer just in case - so i mean this is pureley trivia)
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Old 11-17-2005, 09:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't think it's a matter of how cold it is. The question should be...WILL your car start?!

I think I have a pic from last yr and had the temp gauge reading at -30C or so. When it's that cold you have to let it sit for a few minutes. You probably won't get far anyway because the steering will be all stiff.
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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yeah that was my question...will the car start? i was going to park it underground in a garage, but they were asking for a yearly subscription and i told them to get lost, i only need two or three months underground. So, now i'm thinking it will actually stay outside. does teh battery freeze? will the starter be able to crank?
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Old 11-18-2005, 12:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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check your battery size... when I boutht my 03 Vibe it had a 325CCA battery....way insufficient for the Canadian climate.... got it replaced under warranty for 560CCA battery.... now the crank start is faster and "sure"


But the Toyota engine will turn a few shots before firing, it must be a computer design to ensure that gas pressure is there, and electricity is ok, before the engine starts... the starter won't turn directly when you turn the key!
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Old 11-18-2005, 03:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Mine (2005 XR) started fine this morning at -3 C. I haven't heard of any major problem with winter starts.
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When I was stationed in balmy North Dakota a few years back, I had block heaters and battery warmers installed on my vehicles. Worked great and I never had a no start, even at -40F.

Of course, you need to find an unoccupied electric socket to plug those rascals in...
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Old 11-21-2005, 08:53 AM   #7 (permalink)
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There is a lot of hype about synthetic oil, but one thing is for sure, synthetic works for cold starts. It doesn't get nearly as thick as standard oil at extremely low temps. so the engine turns over easier. So a weak battery (cold makes a battery weak) is more likely to be strong enough to turn over an engine with synthetic oil. I used synthetic oil one winter in a previous car (93 Saturn SW1), and even at -10 F the engine cranked nicely. With normal oil below 0 F the starter would turn the engine over very slowly, slowly enough that I would wonder if it was fast enough to get the car started at all. It always started, but the slowness of the crank was worrisome. But with synthetic the cranking was much more normal. Above 10 F I couldn't tell the difference between normal and synthetic - the engine always turned over just fine.

In my 04 Matrix XR I have only use regular oil. The first winter I had no trouble even below 0 F. It just turned right over, but of course it had a brand new battery too. Last winter it was in a garage above freezing, so of course no problems. It always cranks for 3-5 compressions before starting (it's always the same number, but I have a hard time counting that fast :-), but that's the way this engine is in every season.

FYI, if your engine won't turn over in extreme cold, here is a trick:
1. If the starter engages but won't turn over, let it push for a few seconds before turning the key back.
2. Let it rest for 20 seconds with the key all the way off.
3. Try again.
It might just work the 2nd or 3rd time. Why? Because the battery actually warms itself up while it is working. A warmer battery has more power. So after 20 seconds, it has had time to recover chemically, and is still a bit warmer than the first time, so can deliver more Amps.
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Old 11-21-2005, 01:07 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Can you suggest a tried and tested synthetic oil? I want to continue changing my oil at a certified dealer...what are my options? can i bring my own oil? Should i just ask for a lighter weight oil?
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Old 11-21-2005, 10:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Mobi1 5W30 SuperSyn. Walmart and Canadian Tire carry it. I've been using it for over a year now. Even Toyota dealerships are offering it as of earlier this year. I've been buying the 4.4L jug at Walmart/Canadian Tire (whoever's got the better sale at the moment) and getting it done at the dealer. You save about $30 this way.
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