Hey guys, i found some "performance" pulleys for the matrix. My question is are they worth the price and how much performance are they adding. Are there any pulleys out there that dont underdrive the crap out of the motor to get any gains? I'd like to find red pulleys performance or not just to go with the color scheme im goin for. thanks
personally, i wouldnt want to change out pulley's except for supercharger or alternator. some people like to change the water pump pulley out, but that is the pump that keeps the water flowing through the engine to keep it from overheating.
the alternator is not going to be pushing full potential all the time anyway because it can recharge a vehicle battery from being dead to full power again in about 15 minutes of driving. that is also providing the power for radio, climate controls, lights (interior and exterior), and whatever else that runs without you thinking about it.
on a supercharger pulley, i would think to get a smaller one, rather than larger, because then you can get a little more boost from it.
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personally, i wouldnt want to change out pulley's except for supercharger or alternator. some people like to change the water pump pulley out, but that is the pump that keeps the water flowing through the engine to keep it from overheating.
the alternator is not going to be pushing full potential all the time anyway because it can recharge a vehicle battery from being dead to full power again in about 15 minutes of driving. that is also providing the power for radio, climate controls, lights (interior and exterior), and whatever else that runs without you thinking about it.
on a supercharger pulley, i would think to get a smaller one, rather than larger, because then you can get a little more boost from it.
So are there no good performance pulleys for the 1.8? How are thesehttp://www.coximport.com/AEM-23-7203B , How about just for cosmedics?
Last edited by KissMyBlackXR; 06-20-2008 at 07:08 PM.
which 1.8? the 1ZZ and 2ZZ are both 1.8, but the 2ZZ has much higher performance. for cosmetic purposes, what is to stop you from taking off existing pulleys, cleaning them off, then painting them with the rattle can color of your choice? pay $5 plus the time to clean and paint them, or pay $85 plus shipping from that site. the other thing is that those pulleys are probably a little lighter than stock pulleys. lighter pulleys will help out a little, but if you replaced every pulley in the motor with lightweight pulleys that were all the same size, your gain would probably be 1 HP.
what trim level of matrix are you running (base, XR, XRS)? You can do better for performance on things like intake and exhaust, plus getting those 2 done makes the car sound better.
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2003 Matrix XRS-6MT-Black Sand Pearl-Castrol Syntec 0W30 European Formula
Mods - 18" Incubus Paranormal wrapped in Toyo Proxes4 - T-Max Style front body kit - Escort Passport 9500i...what a friend to have in the car - Part Time Mod Thule Roof Rack
which 1.8? the 1ZZ and 2ZZ are both 1.8, but the 2ZZ has much higher performance. for cosmetic purposes, what is to stop you from taking off existing pulleys, cleaning them off, then painting them with the rattle can color of your choice? pay $5 plus the time to clean and paint them, or pay $85 plus shipping from that site. the other thing is that those pulleys are probably a little lighter than stock pulleys. lighter pulleys will help out a little, but if you replaced every pulley in the motor with lightweight pulleys that were all the same size, your gain would probably be 1 HP.
what trim level of matrix are you running (base, XR, XRS)? You can do better for performance on things like intake and exhaust, plus getting those 2 done makes the car sound better.
Mines an XR. While were on the subject, what are the differences in the XR 1.8 and the XRS 1.8?. Can the XR 1.8 achieve the performance of the XRS and still be N/A. Thanks
without getting too in depth, the cylinders of the 2ZZ are different sized than those in the 1ZZ. the 2ZZ revs up to 8200 rpm while the 1ZZ only goes up to about 6000 rpm. the motors are very similar for power output up to about 6000 rpm, but above that, the 2ZZ gets 'lift' as it is commonly referred to, which is like VTEC for hondas. it changes a little bit in the motor and gives more power.
to get the same power output from a 1ZZ as you would get from the 2ZZ, you would have to rebuild the motor entirely and drop some massive cash into it to get the motor tweaked out without going to forced induction.
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2003 Matrix XRS-6MT-Black Sand Pearl-Castrol Syntec 0W30 European Formula
Mods - 18" Incubus Paranormal wrapped in Toyo Proxes4 - T-Max Style front body kit - Escort Passport 9500i...what a friend to have in the car - Part Time Mod Thule Roof Rack
without getting too in depth, the cylinders of the 2ZZ are different sized than those in the 1ZZ. the 2ZZ revs up to 8200 rpm while the 1ZZ only goes up to about 6000 rpm. the motors are very similar for power output up to about 6000 rpm, but above that, the 2ZZ gets 'lift' as it is commonly referred to, which is like VTEC for hondas. it changes a little bit in the motor and gives more power.
to get the same power output from a 1ZZ as you would get from the 2ZZ, you would have to rebuild the motor entirely and drop some massive cash into it to get the motor tweaked out without going to forced induction.
So would it be true to say that the same mods done to a 1zz will not yield the same power as the 2zz? For example the CAI hp gain for the 2zz is rated at 14 hp 11tq, so would the 1zz be more around 8ish?
well, in the land of reality, the gains from a CAI on a 2zz would be more like 5-6 hp. a SRI could lend a 1zz more like 4-5 hp, and i suggest a SRI instead of CAI on the 1zz.
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2003 Matrix XRS-6MT-Black Sand Pearl-Castrol Syntec 0W30 European Formula
Mods - 18" Incubus Paranormal wrapped in Toyo Proxes4 - T-Max Style front body kit - Escort Passport 9500i...what a friend to have in the car - Part Time Mod Thule Roof Rack
well, in the land of reality, the gains from a CAI on a 2zz would be more like 5-6 hp. a SRI could lend a 1zz more like 4-5 hp, and i suggest a SRI instead of CAI on the 1zz.
Alright i'll think about that. Why do you recommend that? BTW have you heard of these Pulstar spark plugs?
the 2zz motor is high revving and doesnt hit it's powerband until over 6k rpm. a CAI gives better gains in the high end of the rev. the 1zz only goes up to about 6k rpm with its powerband much lower in the rpm range than the 2zz. a SRI will give better gains around midway through the rpm range, which is more suited to the 1zz motor, where it makes most of its power.
no i havent heard of pulstar plugs, but that doesnt mean anything. i am only a rookie when it comes to automotive. i suggest that you sign up on www.matrixowners.com and ask around there (but search first). they have more helpful answers than what i am offering here, and many more people who are much more into knowing all the little things to get/do to a trix.
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2003 Matrix XRS-6MT-Black Sand Pearl-Castrol Syntec 0W30 European Formula
Mods - 18" Incubus Paranormal wrapped in Toyo Proxes4 - T-Max Style front body kit - Escort Passport 9500i...what a friend to have in the car - Part Time Mod Thule Roof Rack
There are one or 2 people on matrixowners.com using the pulstar plugs. They claim smoother idle and easier start up.
I have heard of pulstar plugs for a few years now, but if they really made a tremendous difference, wouldn't the all the car brnds be using these as OEM?
Since the Matrix spark plugs - stock - are iridium, replacement wouldn't be needed for 100k miles.
Since you have a 1zz-fe motor, there are other web sited that can give you more information -9thgen(corolla), newcelica.org, genvibe, etc - different cars but all have a model that uses the same 1zz motor.
When considering any mod - research & planning are so very important.
the 2zz motor is high revving and doesnt hit it's powerband until over 6k rpm. a CAI gives better gains in the high end of the rev. the 1zz only goes up to about 6k rpm with its powerband much lower in the rpm range than the 2zz. a SRI will give better gains around midway through the rpm range, which is more suited to the 1zz motor, where it makes most of its power.
no i havent heard of pulstar plugs, but that doesnt mean anything. i am only a rookie when it comes to automotive. i suggest that you sign up on www.matrixowners.com and ask around there (but search first). they have more helpful answers than what i am offering here, and many more people who are much more into knowing all the little things to get/do to a trix.
Yeah ive been doing some research on those and they seem to be lagit. I'm getting a base line dyno on SAT, so after i do the cai i'll post what the gains are and with the plugs. I hear the plugs are good but you dont get the full benefits till you do some tuning. Know anywhere to get a tuner ?
Yea i already posted some things on their forum and ive never had a worse experience on any car forum. No help whatsoever. I'll stick with toyota nation. Oh BTW i filled up for the first time and im getting 23mpg. ive been easy on it be it was setting at the dealership for two weeks. The ecu is a learning computer right? It should take a tank or two to get my driving stil down.
thanks for the info
Last edited by KissMyBlackXR; 06-26-2008 at 01:08 AM.
supposedly, it takes 60 stop/starts for it to learn your driving style.
for the plugs, it would probably help to have better wires going to them, and a better ignition system as well. since we are all rich here, that would be a good idea for you too. the ignition system sends out more power to create a bigger spark which causes more heat and a better lighting of the fuel. on a naturally aspirated motor, this isnt such a big deal, but on boosted, it starts to become an issue. turbo/supercharging requires higher octane fuel which does not burn as well. this allows the fuel to be compressed more without firing, so more of it can be put into the cylinder with more air, and in turn creates higher final compression ratios that translate out to more power.
for tuning, it isnt worth it to get a 1zz tuned until you have an aftermarket chip in it, and it isnt worth getting that chip in it until you are boosting. if you are automatic, 200 HP is all you want to put on the transmission, otherwise it will break.
sorry to hear you had a bad time at matrixowners. i havent had any problems there and have found it more helpful for the most part as well.
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2003 Matrix XRS-6MT-Black Sand Pearl-Castrol Syntec 0W30 European Formula
Mods - 18" Incubus Paranormal wrapped in Toyo Proxes4 - T-Max Style front body kit - Escort Passport 9500i...what a friend to have in the car - Part Time Mod Thule Roof Rack
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