I've been reading online about making your car run on water and that it improves fuel efficency about 10 - 20 percent. I was wondering if this was a scam or can it be done? Has anyone done it to there car?
I don't know, we've had another thread or two on this throughout the forums, I started one of them. It seems that it is a viable technology, but it's not necessarily going to be a 15 minute easly bolt-on mod for you car that instantly gets you 10-20 more mpg like the adds are saying. The technology does work, but there are probably plently of scams out there relating to it too.
70% of earth's surface is (salt) water. I wonder what comes out when you electrolyze this thing?
ps. My saturday reading has an article on this thing, followed by one on EVs.
I know that. Stick that stuff in your engine it will contaminate the engine. You'd probably need something that is at least potable which is far less common than salt water. While you could desalinate or distill salt water, it it will take a lot of energy to do it.
But then what happens when you start taking billions of gallons of water out of the ocean?
I know that. Stick that stuff in your engine it will contaminate the engine. You'd probably need something that is at least potable which is far less common than salt water. While you could desalinate or distill salt water, it it will take a lot of energy to do it.
But then what happens when you start taking billions of gallons of water out of the ocean?
This isn't an effective use of energy but all that water taken out of the ocean will have to end up back in the ocean. The process turns water into hydrogen and oxygen and then combustion turns it back to water.
Even if the water didn't return, taking 10 billion gallons of water out of the ocean won't have a measurable change in the level of the ocean either way.
At 1.37 Billion Cubic Kilometers the oceans hold a huge amount of water. There are 2.64 Trillion gallons in a single cubic kilometer.
The total number of gallons in the ocean are 3.62E20
That is 3.62 Billion Billion gallons
or 362,000,000,000,000,000,000 gallons, and your worried about removing 10,000,000,000. That's removing 0.0000000027% of the total.
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Last edited by worthywads; 07-07-2008 at 09:47 PM.
its not a scam, per-se ... because in theory it will work .... here's the real problem:
its terribly inefficient - and thats why he said it will take a lot of water .... the "kits" or whatever say it doesnt take much water, but you also wont reap much benefit ... if you run a strong enough current through water (or any molecule), it will break apart at least temporarily ...
so if H2O breaks apart, youre left with Hydrogen and Oxygen - two perfect things to be injecting into your car, as hydrogen is highly flammable ... and well, we all know cars take in oxygen
so the system will essentially inject these gasses into the car - which is a substitute for fuel - the problem is that the energy required by the system is much greater than the energy output of the system .... because you get a very small amount of combustible gas from the water containers
really, there are no tricks or scams - but its just not a practical, worthwhile assembly for the everyday consumer
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I would steer clear of diluting your gasoline with water, plus even if it did work, it would still be hurting the environment in the long run anyway by causing a shortage of water. Where did you find this info in the first place??
I'm working on an HHO generator as we speak as well. Well I actually have it completely built and ready to install. The problem that I have not been able to solve is getting it hooked up electrically so its only on when the engine is on.
Basically I have a 40AMP 12v automotive relay that I want to trigger on my hydrogen generator. I can not find where the heck to connect my wires from the relay to! Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Thanks!
Jason
PS: HHO generators do work. 1000's of people are getting 30-40% better MPG. Do some research you'll find out that it does work.
"In principle this does of course work. The problem is that the whole process is very inefficient, and the energy you get from burning the hydrogen cannot possibly be enough to supply the energy required to make the hydrogen in the first place. With an on-board system, the engine is only about 40% efficient at best, and the alternator perhaps 90%, so even if you assume the electrolysis is 100% efficient you only get back about a third of the energy you put in."
I've heard of people driving the electrolysis off of batteries separate from the alternator, requiring nightly charging but just running off the alternator doesn't work.
This is from wikipedia.
Automotive
See also: water-fuelled car and hydrogen fuel enhancement
Oxyhydrogen is often mentioned in conjunction with devices that claim to increase automotive engine efficiency or to operate a car using water as a fuel. Because the energy required to split water exceeds the energy recouped by burning it, these devices reduce, rather than improve fuel efficiency.[9]
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