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Old 12-01-2008, 10:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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3rd Generation HHO Generator help!

Ok so at my school i must produce and present a Sr. Mastery. Basically research somthing all year, then type and present an essay as well as a product to show and share. I am on the product stages currently, My project is "Alternative Energy for Automotives" The catagories for it is Hydrogen, Hybrid, and full electric automobiles. For part of the product i am doing a video to discus the toyota prius (What my mom drives) But for the other part of my product i am producing an HHO Generator, I know how to build and test. But my only problem is. My presentation will be in a little room. I would like to have the HHO generator able to work in the class room to show and talk about instead of dragging everyone outside to my camry to show.

So my question is. How would i go about running an hho generator off a simple wall plug in?

Thanks for help in advance!

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Get a 12V DC power supply. Or car battery.
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yup. inverter or a battery. a/c current in the wall won't help you much with a HHO generator...kinda dangerous i think...you need DC current
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thanks alot guys! i acually thought about that latter tonight when i saw someone do that to run a portable amp for a marching band haha. Thanks guys keep yall posted!
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First find out how much current the generator need. 12V power supply with a few amps is expensive. Car battery charger might try to sense battery voltage and may not work as a power supply. Unless they are constant voltage charger. I'll say just use a battery.

You better move the other post here before you got nail for double posting.
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First find out how much current the generator need. 12V power supply with a few amps is expensive. Car battery charger might try to sense battery voltage and may not work as a power supply. Unless they are constant voltage charger. I'll say just use a battery.

You better move the other post here before you got nail for double posting.

hmmm i think i may just take out the battery in my car when i get to school. I dont plan on using the generator for more than 5 min during the presentation.

1. because im just explaining what it does
2. i dont want to much hydroxy gas getting into the air lol.
3. maybe i could just do it right outside hmmmmmm

guess we will see. im going out over xmas break to get the materials. dont plan on spending over $50 because idc if it works in a car or not. just to show how it works. So im just doing a 3 plate design. to give off as little of hydroxy as possible lol but enough to show it works (via bubbler) and all. hehe ill keep yall posted with pics and such as i work on it
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Sounds like a cool project...

I actually did my Sr. Year project on Alternate Energy in general. I made a mini-wind turbine that powered up a 1 Watt LED via a powerful fan. Also bought a small solar panel that powered a small motor. And lastly we made a small 4 plate HHO generator.

Along with that we made a video clip and presented everything to the class. Talked about alternate fules like Ethanol, biodesel, hydrogen, etc.
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Ok so at my school i must produce and present a Sr. Mastery. Basically research somthing all year, then type and present an essay as well as a product to show and share. I am on the product stages currently, My project is "Alternative Energy for Automotives" The catagories for it is Hydrogen, Hybrid, and full electric automobiles. For part of the product i am doing a video to discus the toyota prius (What my mom drives) But for the other part of my product i am producing an HHO Generator, I know how to build and test. But my only problem is. My presentation will be in a little room. I would like to have the HHO generator able to work in the class room to show and talk about instead of dragging everyone outside to my camry to show.

So my question is. How would i go about running an hho generator off a simple wall plug in?

Thanks for help in advance!

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Electrolysis is pretty cool...

Everyone here has been pretty helpful. I would use graphite anodes and cathodes. You can obtain these from welding supply places (Gouging Rods) or you can use carbon anodes from dry cell batteries (the old fashioned kind, not the Alkaline or Lithium kind).

I used to do this for fun as a kid. I even made Chlorine gas one time using a solution of table salt in water. Made this thin little strand of green gas which smelled like bleach.


Please be careful about venting off the hydrogen gas. Try not to let it become exposed to spark.

Hydrogen rises, being it's so light. It will accumulate against the ceiling and will find even the smallest hole to escape. That's the good part.

The not so good part is that it's terribly explosive and the upper and low explosive limits are pretty broad.


Used to be a gimmick called a "Water Closet Bomb". Basically it was an open HHO generator, a container of water and two electrodes and a source of DC.

You put it in a small space, fired it up, and it would produce hydrogen and oxygen gas. At the bottom was either a piece of phosphorus or a way to make a spark. Once the water was lysed far enough "Bang!".

So be careful.

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Sounds like a cool project...

I actually did my Sr. Year project on Alternate Energy in general. I made a mini-wind turbine that powered up a 1 Watt LED via a powerful fan. Also bought a small solar panel that powered a small motor. And lastly we made a small 4 plate HHO generator.

Along with that we made a video clip and presented everything to the class. Talked about alternate fules like Ethanol, biodesel, hydrogen, etc.

Hey is there anything to that HHO stuff? Does it really help millage or is that just smoke haha. Would it kill o2 sensors? I have heard of it but always figured it was like magnets on the fuel lines or the "Tornado" throttle body insert, that is to say gimmiky junk.
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Hey is there anything to that HHO stuff? Does it really help millage or is that just smoke haha. Would it kill o2 sensors? I have heard of it but always figured it was like magnets on the fuel lines or the "Tornado" throttle body insert, that is to say gimmiky junk.

Truth? Delphi (formerly a division of GM) intended to introduce a hydrogen gas generator for use by GM. They took out a patent on it.

http://delphi.com/manufacturers/dti/...en_enrichment/

I heard that a problem with the process is that it raises pollutants beyond those of the Tier II limits. Delphi dropped it for US use.


Let's take a look at a combustion chamber during the compression phase....

A mixture of fuel droplets, oxygen and traces of vapors off of the cell walls are swirling around inside. The valves are closed and the piston is rising upwards.

Chemical processes occur more easily as the pressure rises, since this increases the "enthalpy" (internal temperature) of the gas mixture and reduces the space between molecules (compression) per the Universal Gas Fomula...

PV=nRT

Where P is pressure, V is volume, n is the number of moles, R is a constant that depends upon the characteristics of the gas and T is for temperature, absolute temperature (our commonly used temperatures are measured from the freezing point of water or ethyl alcohol).

Reduce volume, increase the pressure and temperature. Obviously the space occupied is less so the number of moles (a measure of the number of molecules) per volume also is higher. This increases the likelihood of a chemical reaction.

At some point or another the spark plug "fires", ejecting either ionized air, plasmas formed from plug material, sputtering from the plug (bigger chunks of the plug material than a plasma) or a combination of two or all three into the swirling clouds of gasoline vapor suspended in air pluswhatever trace crap is swirling around from engine oil, what wasn't scavanged from the last combustion run, and so on.

The resulting combustion of all of this crap is NOT instantaneous, though it is very very fast. The mixture burns outward (should burn outward) from the spark plug. The point where combustion begins is known as the Flame Front. Since the mixtures are not "homogeneous" - equally spread everywhere inside of the chamber - there will be points where ignition will be much later, sometimes never.

Where Hydrogen comes into play is that it helps to spread the Flame Front more efficiently, since hydrogen gas is more easily combusted than tiny droplets of gasoline suspended in air. You don't have to depend upon combustion products and radiation, instead the hydrogen gas conveys the flame front.

Hydrogen really helps with "lean" mixtures, since the hydrogen gas spreads the flame front between fewer droplets of gasoline.

So there is definitely something to this hydrogen gas thing, if you have the right amounts of it, at the right time, under the right conditions.

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So there is definitely something to this hydrogen gas thing, if you have the right amounts of it, at the right time, under the right conditions.

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And that seems to be the impossible part.
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