They did, however the snakes @ zMAX still claimed that they won the lawsuit even though they were ordered to pay out fines of $1 million in refunds for customers who bought the product.
See below....
Found this little excerpt from members on a Dodge Dakota forum:
Another one here that stood out to me:
In short, I'm skeptical.
In fact I would be wary of any company that gets sued by the US Federal Trade Commission for that sort of thing.
Your post is filled with very damaging information on the zMax product. Could you please carefullly review all of the information at www.zmax.com and correct yourself so the members can read accurate facts on the product.
Thanks
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Your post is filled with very damaging information on the zMax product. Could you please carefullly review all of the information at www.zmax.com and correct yourself so the members can read accurate facts on the product.
Thanks
Thank you for reminding me. I should have cited my sources in the first place.
Your post is filled with very damaging information on the zMax product. Could you please carefullly review all of the information at www.zmax.com and correct yourself so the members can read accurate facts on the product.
Phat Royale,
With you serving in the position of Moderator for this site, I would expect you to either correct yourself on the many false comments about zMax or totally remove them. Either way, it needs to be addressed and corrected and if you don't revove the negative comments, you should list the sources from whom you obtained this information.
I myself have used zMax for 30 years as an experienced engine builder/technician, even using it in my customers aircraft engines thru my FAA Certified Engine Facility long before I became Technical Officer and Director of Manufacturing for zMax.
I know the product very well. zMax thru the Federal Court, successfully performed several million dollars of extensive ASTM/SAE testing thru independent labs to maintain each of their respecitve performance claims.
zMax proved thru ASTM lab testing that 1) it's not plain mineral oil as the mineral oil molecule did change shape after reformation and 2) using Auger Electron Spectroscopy where they actually use a Laser Beam to peel the metal away, found that the zMax molecule soaked into the metal sub-surface over 80% deeper than motor oil alone.
Our www.zmax.com web site provides our extensive testing ( Which includes running vehicles to monitor Fuel Mileage and Lab Engine Dyno's as well ) to prove the products value for anyone to review.
Shouldn't the members forum provide accountable and accurate post's made so they can get an honest view on somethings benefits ?
The product has been successfully used by the public for 70 years, is FAA Approved and protects aircraft owners engines and their lives ( Read the Sean Tucker Survival story on www.avblend.com ) , and successfully performed the required testing by the FTC whom accepted those tests and acknowledged that zMax satisfied the right to keep making their performance claims...... You'll be hard pressed to find another product to match zMax's background.
You've listed the old initial complaint....... How about posting the concluding link that states zMax conducted the necessary testing to maintain their performance claims .
This is the initial old complaint BEFORE zMax conducted it's ASTM/SAE testing to keep it's performance claims. How about showing the conclusion that says zMax can keep making their claims....
www.zmax.com has that link that anyone can click on to see.
This is the initial old complaint BEFORE zMax conducted it's ASTM/SAE testing to keep it's performance claims. How about showing the conclusion that says zMax can keep making their claims....
www.zmax.com has that link that anyone can click on to see.
Those include various releases and documents which have information that show tests that we're successfully performed supporting each performance claim but have many documents that are confusing and difficult to follow.
The lawyer terminology makes it difficult in understanding how to interpid what it all really means.
If you go to the www.zmax.com site and click on FTC, it's summarized and explained so the public can understand it.
And here is the trick. The same thing can be said about OIL.
Replace zMAX with OIL and the same is true for oil.
zMAX soaks into metal. zMAX reduces friction. zMAX increases horsepower. zMAX dissipates engine heat. zMAX helps to improve or restore gas mileage and reduce emissions in older cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits. zMAX helps to maintain gas mileage and emissions in newer cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits. zMAX helps to reduce engine wear on engine valve-stems and guides and piston rings and skirts, by virtue of reducing engine deposits. zMAX helps to extend engine life, by virtue of reducing engine deposits.
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And here is the trick. The same thing can be said about OIL.
Replace zMAX with OIL and the same is true for oil.
zMAX soaks into metal. zMAX reduces friction. zMAX increases horsepower. zMAX dissipates engine heat. zMAX helps to improve or restore gas mileage and reduce emissions in older cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits. zMAX helps to maintain gas mileage and emissions in newer cars, by virtue of reducing engine deposits. zMAX helps to reduce engine wear on engine valve-stems and guides and piston rings and skirts, by virtue of reducing engine deposits. zMAX helps to extend engine life, by virtue of reducing engine deposits.
Not correct..................
If you go to www.zmax.com and review their ASTM/SAE testing, all tests we're performed with just Motor Oil ( Test A ) and Motor Oil with zMax added ( Test B ). Testing is performed in this manner to show the performance change made with zMax vs Motor Oil itself.
The testing did show that zMax improved performance beyond the Motor Oil's performance in all testing regardless of what Motor Oil was geing used.
This is the same FTC that says group-III base oils are synthetic. Does anyone really believe that the gov't is competent? And, who brought the allegations to the FTC? a competitor oil company?
Keep quoting the FTC. While you're at it, quote every promise every politician has made and see if any came through. Spend some time in ANY government building and see if anyone does any work.
I'm not a user and could care less about Zmax or ANY oil additive. But, I do understand that most oils, oil change intervals.... are seriously lacking. But, as with anything, technology has improved oil from GF1, GF2, GF3... and in 2011 most quality oils with be ILSAC GF5. Oils have moved up from SF,SG, SJ....SM and in 2011 most will be API SN. And, most oils have moved up from group 1, 1+, 2, higher percentage of group II+ and III base stocks to meet the demands of the industry, IE from minerals, to blends, to many recommending and being full synthetic.
If Zmax wants to prove themselves, they need to use a full synthetic API SN/GF5 oil for their tests and post the results with/without Zmax.
BTW, Zmax is a overly processed oil. So, you can't get it at the local drug store. Its not baby oil or simple mineral oil. As with any base stock, you pick the oil stream, type, and process/treat it any way you want. This is similar to the difference between naphthenics and paraffinics, group 1 all the way to group III...... Many ways to make mineral oils with complete difference in performance, and the common denominator is cost. The more you process/treat/refine, the more expensive and better it gets.
What is Zmax? I don't know. But, I do know that it will thin the oil a little. So, an MPG increase is common. And, it will clean up and reduce deposits. Ring deposits are still an issue with ALL engines even with the newest oils. So, you could improve engine compression, HP, MPG, reduce blow-by, reduce oil consumption.....
Wasn't Zmax on sale at AAP? For those willing to spare a few beers at the pub, you can perform your own test.
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