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Old 03-16-2008, 06:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just bought a 1991 Turbo

Heres my question, how reliable is this set up currently and how much more boost could i squeez in for track days? would it be save to boost at .8-1.0 bar area?

1991 Turbo Supra Targa
140xxx miles Original
5sp
8-10 psi
New gaskets, belts, oil pan oil stump ss lines for everything.

HKS T04E .60 Turbo
HKS SSQV BOV
SPEARCO IC
K&N FIPK
HKS 1.2mm MHG
ARP Head Bolts
Solid Motor Mounts
3" HKS Turbo Elbow
3" HKS Down Pipe
3" HKS Super Dragger II
Stoptech Slotted/Drilled Rotors
APexi Boost Gauge
HKS Turbo Timer
GReddy EBC
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Fidanza Flywheel
DXD Rally Series Clutch And Pressure Plate
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Old 03-16-2008, 08:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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well.. fuel cut hits sometime between 11-14 psi.. as long as youre taking the motor out and machining the timing plate cover the cylinder head and block then you would run till fuel cut.... if you think youre gonna take the motor apart and just slap the MHG in then i advise not to do that
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Old 03-17-2008, 04:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Reliability is tricky and depends on a lot of factors not within immediate discerning of a parts list or the like.

Frequency of maintenance, current tune/quality of the tune and other certain factors that did and didn't get done at the time of build and such will affect 'reliability'. On paper it looks like a fine build and a mild boost level to daily drive.

As was mentioned above, factory fuel cut is as ~12psi. Without a VPC, FCD or other tuning solution that's an inherant stock ECU limitation.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Im just trying to get to 1.0 bar. i just picked up some 550 injectors and a wdeband tuner i just need to get a new ecu to tune what would you recomend
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:20 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Why do you have your heart set on 14.7 PSI? Shooting for a pressure target is the wrong way to go about things. Hell, slap a low efficiency turbo on with no inter cooler and you will hit that pressure target quick. Your charge density will blow, but you will hit the pressure target. You should be looking at what you will be doing with the car, how much power you want to make, and where you want the power band. Then select parts that will get you to your target. After that figure out how much money it will cost, double that number, compare that to how much money you actually have, and keep repeating the cycle until you have a plan you can afford.

There are a lot of factors that go into reliability. Quality of build, quality of tune, aggressiveness of the tune, the weather, altitude, etc. Figuring out how much more you can squeeze in for track days has to be figured out by trial and error. You will have to log your tune, weather conditions, track conditions, tire conditions, time slips, etc. You may even blow up a motor or two before you get it right.

Be careful about going too big on the turbo, too aggressive on the clutch, and too light on the flywheel. These things make a good race car, but a terrible street car. On the track a flywheel that is too light will cause you to bog at the line, and you may find yourself stalling out with a clutch that is too grabby. If you are going to run solid motor mounts you had better be planning on putting in sub frame connectors. All the twist the mounts would absorb will go straight into the chassis. I am not a fan of oiled air filters, especially with forced induction. The turbos will suck the oil off of the filter. They are fine if you have a carb, but I don't believe they belong on a fuel injected car.
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There's an important thing to understand about turbos.

PSI is the resistance to flow, CFM is the important number.
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You really should also consider rebuilding the head and block while you have the engine apart for the MHG along with some ARP bolts. You'll need some kind of fuel controller like the VPC and PFC-FCON.

My setup for my old 1989 Supra Turbo which I ran a good 12-18psi. My original plan was just to build a reliable supra with a little extra power, plus be smog legal.
All this was just to make sure my engine was in good shape.
Stainless Steal Valves
3-angle valve job
Completely rebuilt head with new gaskets for valves, etc on head.
Full port and polish head. Plus all engine components was heat and chemically clean and treated.
Balance and blue printed block
Heat treated block components and balance
Block completely rebuilt
ARP Head studs and ARP rod bolts.
And of course head and block resurface for MHG 1.2mm (don't forget that plate behind the timing belt)
Rebuilt CT26 with T04E 60 trim plus 10 degree angle cut along with ceramic heat treated
Turbo elbow ported and also ceramic treated.
ACT Clutch Kit
Fludine Raidator
Greddy Oil Catch Can
High flow oil pump.
For mods:
HKS EVC 4
HKS VPC w/550 chip
RC 550 Injectors
HKS VPC MAF Replacement pipe
HKS PFC-FCON
HKS FCD
HKS Twin Power
Greddy/Trust Intercooler kit
HKS SSQV
HKS SMF
HKS Super Dragger Catback
Highflow Secondery Cat
HKS 3" Downpipe with 3inch inlet/outlet high flow primary cat
Of course some other minor things like gauges and other crap like that.
Car ended up being more like 300+ HP. I've beaten a couple of 97+ Vettes.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:11 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I checked more things out with the original owner and he said if i kept it at where it is it wouldnt have anyproblems and its probably at or around 270+ but im trying to take it into the 300s.

and as far as the 1 bar statment is i should of said i want a car that would beable to handle 1 bar but only be boosted enough to reach my goal of 300-350rwhp.

i just want a bullet proof motor capable of 14psi with around anywhere between 300-400 rwhp depending on boost

get what im saying lol
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