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Old 05-11-2008, 12:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3rd Generation engine performance modifications

Im kinda new to the MKIII supra world and all of its little quirks as far as the engine and engine management. Ive been researching all of these little problems people have run into with the stock 7M-GTE engines, and some searching on parts for upgrading that I haven't seen any reviews on. I have a few questions of my own that I have either over looked, haven't read enough into or simply cant find:

1.Head Gasket- as far as the stock HG blowing shortly after increasing the boost from the what 6.5psi stock set up, to over the 12psi or 10psi from what some people say, you just replace with a metal HG right? of course including the machining process... and will that MHG handle the 15-20psi range for a substantial period of more than a couple months?

2.ECU/fuel system - what do you do to, for lack of better words, cancel out that pesky Fuel cut off issue when increasing to greater than 12psi? And at what point in the upgrading process should I upgrade to bigger injectors, what size (550cc, 800cc, etc..) and what else should i upgrade along the lines of fuel pump/lines/rail, and is the best AFM/MAF sensor upgrade that one thats always for sale on ebay that comes off some Lexus? or is there a better one?

3.Pistons - haven't read too much on this one, (heart of the engine lol), what is the pressure limit on the stock pistons and connecting rods? I've read little on this subject, some say the pistons are as strong as A.M. forged pistons and some say I should rebuild the lower end with forged pistons and connecting rods... whats the recommendation for this if im looking into the 15-20psi range?

4.Valvetrain - I've looked at this site that sells upgrades for the valves, springs and retainers and cams, (i.e. Oversized valves, titanium springs and retainers, and stage 1-3 upgraded cams) Im looking at the 1mm oversized valves and stage 2 cam kit. I was just wondering if anyone has gone that far into upgrading the 7M engine and what kind of performance gains and reliability of certain parts.

5.TURBO - i dont care to build some super sick oversized turbo supra from hell car but I would like a bit more power... so my question on this subject is, whats a decent upgrade turbo for a strong 15-20psi range? Ive only looked into the T66, and the GT26, again I havent looked too deep into this subject so im asking for recommendations... particularly in the upper brand names, HKS, Garrett, Turbonetics, etc..

6. that silly little elbow...- I have not seen an "upgrade" or "oversized" elbow from the turbo anywhere, some guy on ebay motors tried "milling" the stock elbow and selling it as an upgraded part. So who sells and actual "upgrade" elbow?

7. Intercoolers - has anyone tried to build or have one of those water/ethanol intercoolers? not the spray rail deal but the actual intercooler that has a water/ethanol pumping system in it to cool air down more effeciently... or would just a regular intercooler upgrade be sufficient?

8. Intake - Intake piping kit. This I still just cant see the purpose of spending a fortune on if its simple hoses and metal tubes that route the compressed air from the turbo through the intercooler and into the throttle body... but anyways, whats the best bang for your buck kit? as I stated before I dont want to spend a fortune on this particular upgrade.

9. exhaust - Who sells a 3" downpipe? I can't seem to find them... and has anyone done experimenting with the o2 sensor? which ones are better than others.. (i.e. bosch premium sensor v.s. anyother brand)

10. Drivetrain - how much horse/torque can the stock transmission, drive shaft, LSD, and output shafts handle? Are there even upgrades for these that short of custom made?
- On the note of LSD the moron who owned my 87 before me never noticed a small leak on the output shaft seals and ran the car for who knows how long with almost no oil and it has alot of play in it so i figure why just replace when I can upgrade? is there a positrac replacement or an upgraded LSD that can be replaced in the stock housing?

So im sure this is quite a few more questions than to be expected but I would like as much input on every subject as possible from anyone who has information!

Thanks alot,
Jeff
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Old 05-11-2008, 03:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1) Metal HG + 30RA Head Machining + 30RA Block Machining + ARP Head Studs = Magic Combination. If all is assmembled well, and machined properly it should be THE end of the Head Gasket issues. Some might say a head gasket retorque is important, but really the previous should answer your question.

2) Above 12psi (on the CT26) the following are needed: Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump, Bigger injectors (size depends on goals, 550cc's & 680cc's are comon), Drilling out the J-Tube (google it, it's on the driver side of the engine) and then above 450 or so a Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator is highly suggested. The Lexus upgrade will allow you to use 550's and the Lexus MAF. They MUST be matched, 680's and the lexus would be detrimental to the engine. the lines and rail are almost never upgraded unless you're looking to make 800+ and then you'll want to repull fuel lines from/to the tank.

3) Pistons are often claimed to be good until aobut 450hp. Conn. rods are often listed to be good up to about 700. You are making a large error in judgement however. PSI is an improper measurement for turbo pressure. PSI is a -resistance- to flow. What IS important is PSI @ ### CFM. On the stock CT26, no one has the stock map, so there's no one to answer that quesiton. However, the stock turbo (ct26] is uselsess above 14psi or so, it is far out of it's range and will only blow hot air and will make very little more power.

4) I don't know what this 'stage' thing is. HKS had a stage chart for the 7m/Mk3 wayyyy back in the early/mid 1990's, but that's long since been discontinued. These days, HKS cams (if you can find a pair) will be -VERY- expensive. Several companies (Crower, etc.) offer regrinds and can match their specs, but yeah. Oversize valves are nice as they're a limitation but the stock head can only take so much expansion. Springs/Retainers will vary, they're not often 'upgraded' except in extreme head-work cases (and as you may have guessed) crazy amounts of head work isn't done that often.

5) Again, PSI is irrelevant. Each of those turbos will flow different amounts of air at 15-20psi. Brand names (also) mean very little. They all make turbo's that do the exact same thing, spin and compress air. What you should focus on instead is what turbo is relevant to your goals (most will list a 'max hp') and what flange does it use. T4? CT26-Flange? Etc. The stock toyota flange is not a common style, most drop it in favor of a more common T3 or T4.

6) Suprasport.com makes (or at least, used to) a 3" upgraded elbow, but many people flat out replace that section. I've got a V-band exhaust and a piece of pipe.

7) Ethanol Intercoolers? It almost sounds like you're talking about an air to water intercooler. Air to water's are only good as long as you can keep the water cold, so, a few passes at the drag strip. For the street a standard front mount intercooler is a far more worthwhile upgrade. If you're talking about methanol or water injection (where it mists into the intake manifold to cool the charge temps down), that's a WHOLE different ballgame.

8) Find a filter for our cars, and be done (http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com). CAI's are more damaging (especially if you're in a place that gets rain) and huge piping kits are often a waste.

9) Look at horsepower freaks. It's been a long time since I went with any kind of retail product.

10) The stock (5speed) turbo tranny has seen 800hp. Now, will it take missed shifts and slammed gears and rough treatment at that power level? No. Until you get into 700+ there's almost nothing in the drivetrain to worry about (short of a clutch). Realistically, there is not an upgraded LSD that I know of (there maybe, but it's a part I've never needed/looked for).
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