ok so i'm sure its been asked a quazillion times but i'm honestly to damn lazy to look for the answer.
how much reliable hp can be pushed out of a stock block 7mgte.
also this will be a semi-dd / drift car.
i know the mods i need all i want is a # how much whp can i get before its pushing it. it will be under 450whp is this fine?
You're going about it wrong and you should have searched. What mods are you planning?
On stock clutch 450whp is asking for a boat load of fail.
i think we all know the general idea of whats being said in all these types of questions, why wont people just answer them?
7mgte
83k miles
its getting a titan motorsports 1.4mm mhg
arp head studs NOT BOLTS
top mount manifold
t66 turbo<-if you can sugest better please do.
aeromotive fpr
stainless fuell lines
(walbro 255
550cc injectors maybe 750cc's if need be
external wastegate prob at 12-15psi
3" downpipe
full 3" exhaust
new frontmount setup
and prob water/meth
turbo timer
boost controller
and safc 2
6 puck clutch setup
11lb flywheel
please if u have better electronics suggestions please lmk.
i'm trying to get atleast 350whp safely as a dd/driftcar
can the stock heads flow this
can the bottom end hold up
(so i guess on totaly stock internals what can i achieve SAFELY?)
Last edited by bsilvias13; 03-04-2009 at 06:35 AM.
i think we all know the general idea of whats being said in all these types of questions, why wont people just answer them?
You know what we're going to ask. Why be lazy and expect us to solve your problem? It works both ways. So, suck it up. Either be lazy and deal with the BS or use the search feature and save us both some wasted time. This question has been asked on every supra forum in existance.
1) You'll need to machine the block and head for the metal headgasket.
1a) You have to pull the engine to do this properly, might as well cut out some unnecessary costs and get yourself some nice forged pistons. Pistons are largely claimed to be the weak point around 400rwhp.
2) "top mount manifold" isn't a term I've ever heard to describe any manifold on a Supra before. I've only seen it used in regards to Hondas.
3) "stainless fuell lines" - You don't need to replace any fuel lines except those that come with the aeromotive FPR unless you're -really- looking to blow money.
4) You won't need 750cc injectors, 550's will be just fine.
5) With the electronics you plan on using, you'll be limited at 12psi (or wherever fuel cut happens to hit for your car). Going with a standard VPC/AFC speed-density setup (for simplicity only) will usually remove that limitation and remove some restrictions from using a MAF based system.
Pistions are usually the weak point, and on a motor that you don't know the condition of when you double the HP it's making things have a way of rearing their ugly head.
As for using the Mk3 for a drift car. Well, let's just say we have a difference of opinion (and fact) about what makes a good drift car.
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1988 Mk3 Turbo Targa - 17.5psi, 486hp, 494tq.
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Who came up with this 500px wide BS?
MKIII Supras are a poor platform to drift with, they are too heavy and too sluggish to be effective, no matter the horsepower. They are more suited for a launch type atmosphere/ good highway cruising. There are plenty of cars that will do better in this area then this one. You should listen to Jeeves as well, since you come on guns blazing and obviously have no idea what is going on. Why would you need 750cc injecters for 450 hp? That in it of itself is an epic fail. Perhaps you should buy a rx7 or some other fanboy car.
MKIII Supras are a poor platform to drift with, they are too heavy and too sluggish to be effective, no matter the horsepower. They are more suited for a launch type atmosphere/ good highway cruising. There are plenty of cars that will do better in this area then this one. You should listen to Jeeves as well, since you come on guns blazing and obviously have no idea what is going on. Why would you need 750cc injecters for 450 hp? That in it of itself is an epic fail. Perhaps you should buy a rx7 or some other fanboy car.
You guys are kind of harsh are you not??? Seems like the best answer would've been 400whp with factory internals but aftermarket clutch. It may have been a question beaten into the ground, but man, some kind of help without harshness is what is supposed to set the pros from the newbies, not the other way around.
I agree 750cc injectors would be a bad idea, but some think bigger is better, however, he could use 750cc injectors if he were going to install an AEM or like system and turn the duty cycle way down which would increase the life of the injectors, eliminate fuel cut and decrease heated fuel from over used injectors
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1987 Toyota Supra Turbo.
Last edited by ddouglas77; 03-10-2009 at 06:05 PM.
i think we all know the general idea of whats being said in all these types of questions, why wont people just answer them?
7mgte
83k miles
its getting a titan motorsports 1.4mm mhg
arp head studs NOT BOLTS
top mount manifold Send your c26 to driftmotion for 57 trim-just $625
aeromotive fpr
stainless fuell lines
(walbro 255
550cc injectors Factory Wastegate with a simple boost controller to get to 12+psi
3" downpipe
full 3" exhaust
new frontmount setup
6 puck clutch setup Spec Stage 2 clutch would be friendlier!
11lb flywheel
please if u have better electronics suggestions please lmk.
i'm trying to get atleast 350whp safely as a dd/driftcar
can the stock heads flow this
can the bottom end hold up
(so i guess on totaly stock internals what can i achieve SAFELY?)
I've edited your list to what you'd actually need and be street friendly.
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Light moves faster than sound. That is why someone may appear to be bright, until you hear them speak.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo.
The problem overall (especially searching his other threads on TN) is that he isn't really a Toyota guy. So it felt like a laundry list of things that had been read about but not totally comprehended. e.g. The electronics were not suitable to do the things he was asking.
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1988 Mk3 Turbo Targa - 17.5psi, 486hp, 494tq.
[img]http://www.**********s.com/supra/rsw_sig_stupidTN.jpg[/img]
Who came up with this 500px wide BS?
The problem overall (especially searching his other threads on TN) is that he isn't really a Toyota guy. So it felt like a laundry list of things that had been read about but not totally comprehended. e.g. The electronics were not suitable to do the things he was asking.
I'm not sure what you mean by "not a Toyota guy". I'm not a Toyota guy, which is why I came here. Every car and every engine have their own unique characteristics, so I came here for the personal knowledge from other people that have dealt with the same thing before and found a solution. To me, life experience beats a degree all the time
You should start a thread, "To obtain X rwhp, you'll need to do this:" Point for point, show what mods are necessary to get and sustain, 250, 350, 400, 450, 500rwhp. That would be good reading and surely become a sticky.
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Light moves faster than sound. That is why someone may appear to be bright, until you hear them speak.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo.
Hey, I know I had some pretty stupid questions when I first came on here, but it doesnt sound like he really knew what he was talking about at all. I have a background in import vehicles in genral, but I am now focusing on learning about all generations of supras and celica alltracs. I think that there are plenty of forums to search in order to find out which mods you want to do and which ones work well or dont work well. I usually sit down and think it over a great deal before I do anything, and then try to research it. It seems this did not happen here.
I agree with you, but sometimes asking questions, even "dumb" ones, is a part of research. I have no idea how much the OP actually knows or even how old he is, but either way, asking how much you can get, etc...is something you won't find in the service manual, you can research by typing "rwhp supra" under search, but think of how many pages of not needed info you get.
Its all good though.
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Light moves faster than sound. That is why someone may appear to be bright, until you hear them speak.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo.
My issue was really quite simple. He didn't ask a question. He was cocky and lazy. He knew the answer was out there to a question to something that someone else had already asked a bunch of times.
"how much reliable hp can be pushed out of a stock block 7mgte"
He didn't ask for help, he didn't ask what parts will and won't work, etc. Then when the parts list was extracted it was pretty clearly seen that he was going about it in a way that 'will' function and will definitely consume funds quite well, but isn't efficent and won't make the power he wanted. He didn't come looking to learn, he came looking to be lazy and was so much so that he couldn't waste the 10 seconds to use the search function. Which I'll point out is why I didn't give him an answer off the bat, I wanted to make him spend more time than he would have spent by using search.
So, no. In conclusion. I have no hard feelings about being hard on people too lazy to click "Search." Especially those cocky arrogant enough to state it in their first post and still demand assistance.
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1988 Mk3 Turbo Targa - 17.5psi, 486hp, 494tq.
[img]http://www.**********s.com/supra/rsw_sig_stupidTN.jpg[/img]
Who came up with this 500px wide BS?
My issue was really quite simple. He didn't ask a question. He was cocky and lazy. He knew the answer was out there to a question to something that someone else had already asked a bunch of times.
"how much reliable hp can be pushed out of a stock block 7mgte"
He didn't ask for help, he didn't ask what parts will and won't work, etc. Then when the parts list was extracted it was pretty clearly seen that he was going about it in a way that 'will' function and will definitely consume funds quite well, but isn't efficent and won't make the power he wanted. He didn't come looking to learn, he came looking to be lazy and was so much so that he couldn't waste the 10 seconds to use the search function. Which I'll point out is why I didn't give him an answer off the bat, I wanted to make him spend more time than he would have spent by using search.
So, no. In conclusion. I have no hard feelings about being hard on people too lazy to click "Search." Especially those cocky arrogant enough to state it in their first post and still demand assistance.
Here's a question for you, what is the record holding power a 7MGTE has made?
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Light moves faster than sound. That is why someone may appear to be bright, until you hear them speak.
1987 Toyota Supra Turbo.
ddouglas thanks.
all others i have owned 2 91 240's both with sr's one swaped by me alone. the other i bought from a pro drifter.
ive been drifting for 3 years now
91 240sx 236whp
91 240sx 336rwhp
87 gt-s corolla
and now a supra turbo
PERSONAL ATTACK EDIT
as for a supra not being a good drift car, yet again dumb, yes lets just follow everyone else and build a highway/drag/dyno queen and do nothing else cause you cant drive.
simple non rude and obnoxious answers are all im looking for i dont need to be technical just to make u whiny sallys happy u know what i'm asking if u dont feel like answering than stfu. again thanks ddouglas ur the type of person i like on forums.
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