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Old 05-05-2004, 05:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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slotted or crossed drilled

hey whats the differance between slotted or cross drilled i know what they look like but what is the differance in performce is there any and what would be better to put on a supra? im looking at getting a big brake kit and just wondering the differance. also do you think it is better to stick with toyota part (trd) cause those are the brakes id like to put on.
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Well I'm not really sure exactly what the difference is between the two Cross drilled or Slotted.

I bought a Brembo set (Front) that are cross drilled & slotted for my supra. I figured best of both worlds, right.

I think the main benefits over stock breaks are heat distribution and dissipation, which limits break fade. As for diff. between each other not totally sure. They look cool also.

I read this a few years ago researching before I bought mine.:
The old reasons for doing this to rotors was due to old break pad materials releasing gas as they wear under extreme breaking. So the drilled or slotted rotors would allow the gas to exscape while still allowing the break pads to contact the rotor and keep your breaking from fading or not working. Take that for what it's worth. I have not since been able to find this article. Also current break pad materials do not have this problem.

I love mine on the front and I'm now looking for a set for the back disk. I hope to replace the back ones soon with same as front.

Good luck. You can't go wrong with either if your looking for increasing your breaking performance of your supra (?), or making it look cool.
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they look cool that's about it imo.

there was a huge thread about this somewhere on this site about it.

like dragon said, new technology in brake pad material pretty much took care of it. with the brakes you want max surface area and max cooling. brembo flat faced is all i'll go with.

but slotted and drilled just look so bangin'
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heres the facts....cross drilling allows the escape of gasses for 2 reasons heat and friction allow gas into hole when pad is on that spot.....aloow gas and heat outta the hole when its not under the pad...
slotting wipes the pad clean.....scraping the junk off the pad that burns on in siper high heat breaking environments...aka RACING and really only good fer racing as it remves quite a bit of pad material....having slotted rotors on a street car is almost dunb unless yer willing to shell out fer pads every year.

otherwise cross drilling is good enough.
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Sounds like some of these "facts" came from a ricer mag. Facts are physics, and here goes, sorry for the length...

Brakes work by converting kinetic energy of moving the car to heat through friction. The ability to stop is determined by the limits of the ability of the system to take in heat. This is the thermal capacity of the system: ie the point at which the system fails from overheating. This is determined by the mass of the rotors themselves, and so you want as much metal as possible in them. For Supras, we have rather wimpy brakes to begin with, and so drilling takes thermal capacity out of them and makes them worse than before.

As to the purpose of drilling...it used to be gas and moisture dissipation. No longer. Pads don't gas off as they used to as the materials have changed from organics to composites and metal matricies. Now, it is done (when it is for a reason other than looks) to reduce rotating mass where there is already an abundance of mass for stopping.

As I can see the question "why does porsche use it then" coming, I'll answer that one now. Porsche rotor diameters approach 14 inch on some road vehicles. They gain excess mass through diameter and thickness of the rotors. They actually have much more thermal capacity than needed for the intended use, up to and including mild track events. Hench, they drill to reduce the mass of the rotor. Remember the worst kind of weight is unsprung or rotating, and this is a part that clearly qualifies for both at the same time.

If you watch a racing series such as the ALMS, you will see that different tracks even have the teams change from drilled to flat rotors...those are the really heavy braking ones and they feel the need for the mass.

In a perfect world, any mass added that can take up some heat helps us. In our imperfect world, unless you upgrade to big brakes, forget the drilled, unless you are about the bling.

Now for slotting, the facts presented are correct to an extent. It does scrape the pads, but at all times, not just high heat. The extra friction of the slots sweeping actually can induce thermal failure as the pads get hotter than normal, faster. If you run higher temp compounds on the street, you can often make them quite normal feeling by slotting. High heat pads tend to have little grip when cold. I do this myself, as it allows me to run higher friction pads that require a little more heat to work properly, and I build a little more temperature tolerance into my brakes. Downside is pad wear, and the greater chance of warping a rotor or boiling fluid as you do run them at a higher than designed heat. Pads are cheap however, and rotors don't warp often. Change fluid annually and it should be fine too.


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