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Not sure if I understand your No 1 scenario. Out the door price on a new car depends on many factors. Some of these are demand for the car (if very high don’t expect a discount over sticker) and time of month or year (sales department needs to make their monthly quota or next years models are coming into stock), etc.
The dealer also may be looking for extra profit at time of sale from items such as undercoating, optional equipment you may not need and an extended warranty that you may or may not want. If you want an extended warranty keep in mind in the USA you can shop around at dealer to find the lowest price, not sure in Canada. Some buyers have negoitated a price then returned to sign a contract or pick up a car only to find the terms and equipment have been changed by the dealer.
Dealers also make money on financing, if you cam arrange your own through a credit union or such you will be better off.
I think Consumer’s Reports can get you a print out of a new car models dealer cost. This will give you an indication of how much mark up is on the car. Keep in mind the dealer may get a hold back from the manufacturer after the car is sold. This is additional profit that does not show up on the invoice. Don’t expect them to give up this hold back to lower the price.
There are a few good books out there on buying new cars and again Consumer’s Reports and other organizations offer tips on new car buying and even what you can expect to pay over invoice.
I am not an expert on buying new cars, as I prefer used ones. Suggest if you want to buy a new car, find the model you want but don’t fall in love with any one car. If possible arrange financing before negotiating any prices. Find out what the dealer make up is.
Time your purchase for a slow, rainy weekday at the end of the month. Then offer say $200 over dealer cost, be prepared for rejection or a counter off. If you can get the car for $3-500 over invoice you are doing OK.
If you trade in a car on this purchase, expect the dealer to get you one-way or the other. Either offer a high trade-in value and want more for the new car, or offer a lower new car price but higher trade-in valve. Sometimes the dealer manages get a low trade price and still get a high price on the new car. The dealer is in business to make money, period.
Used car values are the same. Some cars depreciate a lot slower (hold their value) because they remain popular (supply and demand). Thus trying to calculate valve based on a percent of new car price may not be possible.
Most late model cars even if abused or received poor maintenance should last 100K (US) miles. As the car gets older and runs up more miles, repairs become to a large extent linked to prior usage and maintenance (or lack of). Yet, even with the best care and driving parts will wear out, even on a Toyota.
I know nothing about CarReport. One word of caution, not all issues show up on these types of reporting systems. Again, have the car inspected by a competent mechanic. It is rare but does happen where some people have purchased cars (used or new) that were at one time under water because of events such as Katrina.
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