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Old 11-05-2005, 10:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I own a 1992 MR-II ex U.S. so far it was equipped with a 2.2 5S-FE engine, but adding a turbo on it just killed the bastard .

Now I want to do something special............I want to spoon a 3VZ-FE or 5 VZ-FE or even a 1MZ-FE engine into to the tiny bay of my two, and I want to ad a TRD supercharger on it, BUT............what do I need to mod about the wiring, I can not imagine that I just hook up the engine's ECU to the plugs of the car and it fires up .......there has to be done some more I presume?? I know there are some people across the ocean ( U.S. / Canada), who has done simular swaps before.............maybe one of you can tell me in what I need to do before "spooning" ........... I have a gearbox from which has been fitted behind a 3S-GT engine (T53??) will that also fit on the engine mount, or do I need to use the regular gearbox out of my car??

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Old 11-07-2005, 08:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You are looking at quite a project there. You are going to run intoa few issues. First off wiring. You will need the ECU that goes with the motor, and no it will not just hook right up. Wiring isn;t the hardest thing in the world as long as you have the wiring guidelines for the motor AND the car, but it is very tedious, so plan on "having fun" with that. Also, the transmission from your mr2 would not hold any of those motors, all of which have much more power. You would need the tranny that goes with the motor and get custom axles, or get a e153 from turbo mr2 and an adapter plate, but you will probably still need custom axles of the right length for the application. All I can say is good luck.

Personally I'd just get a 3sgte swap. Will probbaly be cheaper int he long run, is much lighter, less headache, and is very capable of surpassing any power levels you could reach on any of those other motors, with less displacement and less gas consumption.

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Old 11-07-2005, 04:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2005, 05:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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imo i think if you thought you could just turbo the 5sfe then you will have a tough time doing this swap



plus you will need $$$

and lots of it

3sgte all the way

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Old 11-07-2005, 10:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Personally I'd just get a 3sgte swap. Will probbaly be cheaper int he long run, is much lighter, less headache, and is very capable of surpassing any power levels you could reach on any of those other motors, with less displacement and less gas consumption.

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Only thing I have to disagree with is the weight. A 1MZ is actually 30lbs. lighter than the cast iron 3sgte.

A 1MZ swap into an MR2 really isnt't that difficult if you are knowledged enough to swap a motor and have the proper tools. It is a bit harder gathering the parts though, and the money thing is true. The V6 swap will cost you a bit more money than just swapping a 3sgte.

It's really all up to you, and what your situation is.
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Old 11-10-2005, 01:58 PM   #6 (permalink)
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BIG swap..........

Thanx guys!!realy interesting. I can do a lot with this info.
First of all, I don't want to swap engine with 3S-GTE, cuz I don't like the torque of this 2.0l. machine, I've driven it here, gen II and III , on top of that, there are a lot of this turbo-imports here in Holland so I like something different better .........(originally here was only the 2.0 N/A imported)............. I liked the 5S-FE better with turbo, but the wastegate got stuck and it didnot survive 25PSI boost normally it would last, and now I want to take this chalenge by swapping this V-6 (3.0 or3.4) into this, I already have a E-153 tranny and turbo axles, so I need to find a proper engine, and I have to look in the states or Canada, cuz here they are rare and hard to find......I will look on sites like E-bay.
Maybe one of you guys have sugestions where to search for an engine like this??

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Old 11-10-2005, 02:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You are looking at quite a project there. You are going to run intoa few issues. First off wiring. You will need the ECU that goes with the motor, and no it will not just hook right up. Wiring isn;t the hardest thing in the world as long as you have the wiring guidelines for the motor AND the car, but it is very tedious, so plan on "having fun" with that. Also, the transmission from your mr2 would not hold any of those motors, all of which have much more power. You would need the tranny that goes with the motor and get custom axles, or get a e153 from turbo mr2 and an adapter plate, but you will probably still need custom axles of the right length for the application. All I can say is good luck.

Personally I'd just get a 3sgte swap. Will probbaly be cheaper int he long run, is much lighter, less headache, and is very capable of surpassing any power levels you could reach on any of those other motors, with less displacement and less gas consumption.

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why should I ?? everyone has a different look into this topic!!

Thanks!

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Old 11-11-2005, 09:58 AM   #8 (permalink)
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http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=46139

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No, http://www.mr2board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1467 step by step with photos. BTW if you decide to go 5VZ, I have some turbo manifolds for sale since im switching to a single instead of the twins
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I would love nothing more than to see MR2s with every type of toyota motor in them. I was just trying to say that I do not have the patience to fabricate all of the stuff needed to do the swap myself, thus the "Personally I would go 3sgte". If you want to do it man, please do, I think it would be awesome!
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Old 11-11-2005, 01:18 PM   #10 (permalink)
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No, http://www.mr2board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1467 step by step with photos. BTW if you decide to go 5VZ, I have some turbo manifolds for sale since im switching to a single instead of the twins
I did try to sent you a message ,but was not possible..........this is also clear to me and would like to proceed like you did.......VERY NICE !! I have a turbo which I planned to use for this engine, so I am also interested in this manifold you're selling ...or I can loose the turbo and go for the TRD supercharger?? dunno what to choose yet.........first of all I have to find myself a nice engine, and get it over the ocean.
Of you have any sugestions concerning this swap, please mail me: john@mr2.nl

thank you guys!!
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Old 11-11-2005, 01:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I would love nothing more than to see MR2s with every type of toyota motor in them. I was just trying to say that I do not have the patience to fabricate all of the stuff needed to do the swap myself, thus the "Personally I would go 3sgte". If you want to do it man, please do, I think it would be awesome!
As you can see, there are global interesses(??) for doing "swaps".........I did my first swap back in the early 80's I owned a '76 corolla (KE-30) it has aprox 200.000 miles on it and the engine was completely worn out.........since it was a nice car I did "spoon"in a 2T-B engine under the hood (1.6 liter with double carbs) where the 1.2 liter 3K engine use to be.......since this was a CELICA engine from the junk-yard I need to go to the TOYOTA shop to synchronize the carbs..........all the mechanics in the shop ran out to see this "spectaculair vehicle" in those days (Iguess) there where not much of this "swaps" overhere.........What's next??? 4.2litre V-8 into a MR-II
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Eventually I want to build my own supercar that resembles the body of an mr2 (pretty much a lengthened MR2 with a bmw 12 cyl in it OMG) or something like that. Just a dream......someday.
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Old 11-12-2005, 06:38 AM   #13 (permalink)
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v-12 BMW engine.

Altough we live next to Germany, I don't think germans built better cars.........I think price-quality balance is not correct, the Japs building far much better, altough a V-12 is very , but won't ever fit into a two's enginebay, I think it will fit into a supra......mmmmmhhhhzzz nice project........ever thought of a Lamborghini or Ferrari engine , or how about the V-10 of a Viper ?? those are having more BHP tthan most 18 wheelers....................you gonna need BIG tires to bring those horses on to the asphalt

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Old 11-14-2005, 11:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Scrap the V-10, most manufacturer's that make V12's completely skip V10's because they are naturally unbalanced and don't last long. Some quark about having 5 cylinders on each side. For some reason it does not balance out. Just something I read. And btw, thats why I said a lengthened MR2. I get scared hearing of V6's in these things. AHHHH!

Who says a 2500 pounds car can't hold a 500hp motor? =)
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lol...chrw, if you could make a super car mr2(lengthened yeah) then i would buy it..i would sell my life..and rob banks to buy that. If you made it so it was just as balanced as the regular mr2 HELL YEAH.
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