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Old 01-03-2006, 01:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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making a drift/togue mr2

ok i have posted about the engine swap ideas befor but can you get a 5sfe in the 200 to 220 hp area anywhere in there would be golden, i dont really need more power then that and if you can does the car need to have a turbo? cause the car will be pushed kinda hard and i would rather not have to worry about it. i am already aware cause of the pushing i will do a rebuild to the insides because of the beating it is going to take. does anyone else have any ideas what i would need to do to reach that? the main reason i am asking is besides a full exhaust i did not find alot of upgraded parts for a 5sfe.

btw i will get a 3sgte if needed but i would rather not deal with changing engines out
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Old 01-03-2006, 02:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Not sure what you're asking. Are you attempting to make an MR2 drift car? If so, then yes torque is what you need. I have ~300 ft/lbs at 1500 rpm in my V6 swap. It is the BEST drifting MR2 I have EVER ridden in. That includes a 400+ hp fully built 3s-gte car.

Im not trying to dicourage you from your project but the MR2 is NOT a drift car PERIOD. I have some cool videos of people drifting MR2's but thats not the point. Why would you try to learn a difficult sport in a car that is just not set up for it. Thats like trying to play soccer with hocky goalie pads on. Yea you could do it but its just not the right equipment for the job. Do what I do and buy a cheap car that IS set up to drift. If I want to drive fast I take out one of the MR2's. If I want to drift I take out the MX5 or the 240sx. Like I said, my 2 does drift but it just eats tires too fast and doesnt transition clean like the S13 and MX5 do.

Now, addressing the power issue. you have a 5s. You are correct, there are not many power mods for that engine. What you do have with that motor is LOTS of readily available cheap parts. We have 5, thats right 5! perfectly good 5s engines sitting here at the shop (pulled from cars we did 3s and 5vz swaps into). I bet we would part with one or two for free if we knew they were going to a good cause. I say, if you want to make lots of power with the 5s, get a big, and I do mean BIG shot of nitrous and a few spare engines. Feed your motor like 150 wet shot and when it blows throw another one in there. If your going to abbuse a car you might as well do it right eh?
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Old 01-03-2006, 04:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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eh i probly said what i was doing wrong..anyway ill try to say it another way. for 1 this may seem like a stupid kids thing but people do it around here, have you ever seen initial d? it is basically what they do go down a mountain and /or very curvy road and race you dont exactly drift, but you do somtimes loose rear traction ( most the time not thanks to a mid engine) but i was trying to get more power out of my car so i can do it faster ,and for the possible offer on the engines i would love to take 1 if you dont need it based on the fact my engine does have a ton of miles on it and i would have the engine out of the car so the rebuild would go faster. anyway tnx for your help
o and i dont really want to get a ton of power because having to much power would basically make me worse off due to it loosing to much traction. the only reasons i need more power is so i can power out of turns faster and on the small straights i can accelerate more

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Old 01-03-2006, 08:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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it is basically what they do go down a mountain and /or very curvy road and race
There are very good reasons the SCCA (and other organizations) run hillclimb races.

InitialD, although entertaining, has really corrupted a lot of people's perspectives IMO.
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Old 01-03-2006, 09:19 AM   #5 (permalink)
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hey QuadCamSix:

i am located in chesapeake VA, and was in the middle of doing a reebuild on a 5sfe, bud luck struck and then i got t-boned. i now dont have the money to buy the rebuild kit ect. but just wondering if any of the motors you have available are reliable low mileage that wont have to be rebuilt? or if you just have good parts like decent CVs, clutch, Tranny? or even performance 5sfe parts such as cams, valves,.. please let me know...

i am about to go out and take some pics of my project car and wrecked car....

thanks for any info.

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Hey Nepopolus, I know you're not looking to swap motors, but I know of a 3sfe engine that is in the 98-99 celicas and MR2's which produce 200hp without Turbo. Maybe that would be of some help.
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Old 01-03-2006, 03:45 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I believe the engine is a "BEAMS" version and they can only be available in Japan. Threr's JDM for ya.
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..lol ya i figured beams would be a thing brought up, i can look into those but for some reasone im thinking a 3sgte will be cheaper...
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Figuratively it would be cheaper for a 91 3sgte, but any other year would probably run you around the same, and you would then have to worry about the turbo. And with an improper turbo setup that turbo is bound to blow and so is the engine. So if you are getting the 3sgte tune it well my friend, tune it well. But, in your case, let a non-turbo engine setup be a non-turbo engine setup.
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casey,

We do swaps on MR2's every day. I have EVERY stock NA part you can immagine. We have complete drivetrains with perfectly good engines still bolted up just sitting here. Contact me via AIM or by email and Ill give you a deal if you are willing to come get the parts.

nepopolus: Sounds like you're doing night runs / time trials My best advice for that is get some in this order (double your liability insurace then get a brake upgrade including pads and possibly disks, very grippy tires, springs and struts) IMHO though the best upgrade is the nut behind the wheel. A good driver like Mr Hyde up there will have much faster times than somebody who spends lots of money of upgrades. I see it all the time at the solo events here in town. $40K cars with a jackasses behind the wheel often get beat by $2k crap boxes with basic upgrades just because of driver skill.

Good luck, and watch out for deer and jackalopes!
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If anyone, listen to Jeckyle. Hes been through more road races in his MR2 than anyone i can think of off the top of my head..

That will help you out the most.
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eh ya i know that power is no where near everything but a engine i am afreaid of breaking by doing it is not a good choice either, as for the power bar i would have wanted it was just a idea i had, and i also wanted to see if i could just rebuild my engine with some upgrades.but most the parts companies for the 5sfe havent gotten very good reviews atleast by the people i know
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hey guys. wayy off topic but I have a 3sgte waiting to go into a mr2 (my first) that I cant find. anybody know where I can get a cheap 90-92 n/a to swap this motor into? I have loved this car forever but can never find a decent example to buy. I'm kinda on a 2k budget.
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lol i dont know why u posted here, but you got a engine befor the car?
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