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Old 02-17-2006, 09:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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hey whats going on i'm new to this forum or should i say i'm new to toyota i have a 96 civc i'm about to sell it because i'm buying a 91 mr2 non turbo now i want to fo the swap i just need to know were can i find the motor with all the parts and i would like to know if this is a good move please help i would like to make a fast mr2
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Old 02-17-2006, 10:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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k lol your doing the same i am (after winter) i am getting mine from www.jspecautosports.com good lightly used engines but i am rebuilding it anyway :P, or if you wanna they also have rear clips
and for a good choice eh depends how much it is mine was 1k ..lol yes there is much work to be done i just put on a border body kit and intergrated headlights ( front bumper was dead and pass. light was GONE still much to be done ....dents

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Old 02-18-2006, 07:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If you want a fast MR2, buy a turbo MR2.
I would not suggest buying a non-turbo and swapping engines.
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Old 02-18-2006, 08:29 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If you want a fast MR2, buy a turbo MR2.
I would not suggest buying a non-turbo and swapping engines.
I can't agree with that more. Learn from my mistakes
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Old 02-18-2006, 12:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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now i would buy a turbo mr2 if i can find one and sents i'm geting this mr2 for 2,000. i say why not its a 91 so i say i'm going for it i just wanted to know were do you guys get your parts from and what would be a good way for me to get into this job like would it be worth it ?
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Old 02-18-2006, 05:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This has got to be the most common thred topic on the TN forum. All you kids with turbo mr2s throw out that 'just buy a turbo model' as if it's even applicable. There really are not that many turbo 2s lying around anymore. I was looking for 2 years for a turbo model under 6 grand in the Dallas Texas area, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've come across one in good condition. It just isn't as realistic as it was ten years ago. *shrug*
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thats what i'm saying it was hard to find this mr2 so i'm going for it now i just need all the toyota tuneing stuff scents i had a civic this is going to be all new to me but thatnks for all the help
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Old 02-19-2006, 06:21 AM   #8 (permalink)
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now i would buy a turbo mr2 if i can find one and sents i'm geting this mr2 for 2,000. i say why not its a 91 so i say i'm going for it i just wanted to know were do you guys get your parts from and what would be a good way for me to get into this job like would it be worth it ?
$2,000 is a fine price, but have you considered how much a swap is going to cost you?

It's not as simple as just buying another engine.
You will also need:
transmission
axles
ECU
wiring harness
intercooler set up
... the gauge cluster would also be a good idea.

Add up all of those costs (especially if you are not doing the work yourself) and see if you could find a turbo model for the same price.

After all of that, you will still have non-turbo MR2 with a turbo engine.
You will not have the dual-piston turbo brakes, fog lights, rear strut bar and possibly a lot of other options tha came on almost all turbos, but not most NAs.

Even if you did all of that work, you still would not have a car with Toyota's original build quality.

Then there are the insurance implications. Are you going to inform your carrier that you did the swap or are you going to risk not telling them?

You asked in your first post if THIS WAS A GOOD MOVE.
My advice is that it is not. It is possible.
Lots of people have done it, but I would not advise it.
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Old 02-19-2006, 06:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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This has got to be the most common thred topic on the TN forum.
It's one of the most common questions on a lot of MR2 boards.
Another common question you see is, "I'm almost done my swap, but I still need part XXX. Common guys, help me out. I want my car running again, but I just can't locate part XXX to finish the swap."


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All you kids with turbo mr2s throw out that 'just buy a turbo model' as if it's even applicable.
Kids??? I'm 32 years old and have been involved with MR2s for 20 years, driving them for 17+ and racing them for a good decade.

If someone wantsa turbo MR2, buying one is certainly applicable.

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There really are not that many turbo 2s lying around anymore. I was looking for 2 years for a turbo model under 6 grand in the Dallas Texas area, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've come across one in good condition. It just isn't as realistic as it was ten years ago.
So you were looking for a CHEAP MR2 and GOOD condition?

These are valuable cars and they are relatively rare, so yes, one in "good" condition is going to cost some bucks.

I bought Hyde for $1,750. It had 180,000 miles, a dinged fender and was a filthy mess.
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thats what i'm saying it was hard to find this mr2 so i'm going for it now i just need all the toyota tuneing stuff scents i had a civic this is going to be all new to me but thatnks for all the help
You can tell any of these companies that I sent you:

www.paautoracing.com - they specialize in 3SGTE swaps, tell Dave I said hello.
www.chicoraceworks.com - specializes in MR2s, tell Josh I said hello.
www.atsracing.net - specializes in MR2s, tell Aaron I said hello.
www.twosrus.com - specializes in MR2s, tell David I said hello.

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Obviously "kids" wasn't meant to be a litteral reference. I call my father kid. Applicable wasn't the correct word to use. Realistic would be a better representation of the point I was trying to bring across. My 3s-gte swap is a scant several weeks from completion. I paid a hair over 6K for everything involving the project so far, and I'm looking at a few hundred more for tuning. Not to bad for a 250 HP car, with around 50 thousand miles. I'd call that a cheep MR2 in good condition. *shrug* It wasn't my intention to pick a fight, or be condenscending towards your age, or MR2 experience/knowledge. I'm simply trying to say that walking into a dealership and driving off with an MR2 turbo isn't a likley occurrence anymore, espcially on a budget.
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^ $6k with the initial cost of your NA or $6k for the swap??

How in depth are you going? Are you considering brakes, fuel pump... and other "optional" items that don't come on the NA. Also visual things... fog lights, center console, engine lid... etc etc... the list can go on.

I myself have a NA -> Turbo swap... I paid about $6k too with everything... the car and then the swap... including labor (no garage at the time). Once I started to buy stock turbo parts... I thought to myself.... damnit... I wouldn't have needed all of this stuff if I would have just sold and bought a turbo in the first place. Not to mention the issues with california smog.
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Old 02-19-2006, 03:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Oo...Cali smog *shudder* haha. 6K would be for everything that I've spent so far. I picked up a 92 mr2 NA with no drive train (previous owner was a girl, who apparently didn't understand the concept of shifting ) the tab for that was 1200. Went through jspecautosports.com for the 3s clip, which was 2500 for the clip and transportation. The rest was spent on all the little things that make engine swaps a pain. IE engine hoist, bigger pump and injectors, HKS exhaust, EBC, junkyard special break kit ect. As for the console and fog lights, I really couldn't care les about that sort of thing. I'm more into function over aesthetic value. Being that I'm still in high school, and I have to work my job schedule around track and homework, money is really tight and I'd rather drop it on go-fast than look-good parts. Honestly though, I don't see how I could have procured a turbo mr2 for the same cost, and in the same condition as my swaped car. Maybe it's just the Texas location, but I just could not find an MR2 that wasn't a pile of rusted, valve ticking crap.
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Hey project14 if your interested in a turbo mr2 you can by mines!!I would sell it for $6,500
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If you want a fast MR2, buy a turbo MR2.
I would not suggest buying a non-turbo and swapping engines.
+2

i did the whole swap thing and afterward i wish i would have just bought a turbo first.


my biggest reason for not recommending a swap is the condition of the j-spec engine. mine was garbage and unfortunately bought unseen.

buying a turbo car allows you to see/drive/test what you are buying.

also i have already failed emissions for no egr system. just one more headache each year.
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