honda to toyota

[4AC = AE71]

sup guys, i got a reallt good idea. i'm not really planning on doing this till i get another mr2. i want to know has anyone thrown in a ITR motor into a mr2? i mean if u think about it mr2 all have FWD trans, so maybe the trans from another FWD car might ( of course u gotta do lots of mods) fit. cause if u look at it this way, they make so many parts for those damn crap ass honda and acura motors, plus the ITR and CTR motors come with 210-220 stock so lot more potential. but this is just a idea that i have been thinking about. if this swap has been done or if anyone has any opinons, post away plz

[MRQtwinturbo]

stop smoking crack....lol.......the 3SGTE is as good as it gets....with the right amount of money, time and tuning....lots of power to be made.....btw...what mr2 are u talking about that is FWD??....

[toyotaspeed90]

he was just making the comment that the trans is transversely mounted and has cv-shafts like a FWD car

however, mr2's are just FWD cars with the setup in the back.....

[4AC = AE71]

ty speed, thats what i saying, its just a FWD car but just moved to the rear. and yes i know about the 3sgte, but see i want to be different, a honda motor in a toyo car will get many looks and stares. plus if u think about it, the 3sgte has a good amount of torque, which if u think about it the mr2 doesnt need since its so light alrdy. now honda motors are not known for torque but are known for great top end speed. a turbo for a gen 1 mr2 is a waste cause the turbo lag whould kill the accel. but i f u build a good NA ITR motor in a mr2 there whould be no lag at all besides when u shift. now not saying a turbo is bad for an aw11 but i'm saying is that a little car plus turbo lag to me is a waste. thats why im building a NA 4age for my mr2 that will push i hope 200+ to the wheels (not flywheel). and i have a 87 NA mr2.

[NESW20]

good luck.

-Mike

[Itech]

Originally Posted by 4AC = AE71

ty speed, thats what i saying, its just a FWD car but just moved to the rear. and yes i know about the 3sgte, but see i want to be different, a honda motor in a toyo car will get many looks and stares. plus if u think about it, the 3sgte has a good amount of torque, which if u think about it the mr2 doesnt need since its so light alrdy. now honda motors are not known for torque but are known for great top end speed. a turbo for a gen 1 mr2 is a waste cause the turbo lag whould kill the accel. but i f u build a good NA ITR motor in a mr2 there whould be no lag at all besides when u shift. now not saying a turbo is bad for an aw11 but i'm saying is that a little car plus turbo lag to me is a waste. thats why im building a NA 4age for my mr2 that will push i hope 200+ to the wheels (not flywheel). and i have a 87 NA mr2.

Better yet why don't u try a Mazada RX8 engine. Those things have MASSIVE amounts of HP and like no torque.

I still don't see any reason for you to do this.

1. your going to get clowned on by both communities for being the only person putting a HONDA into a TOYOTA.

2. Have fun doing custom brackets and mounts for the engine placement and custom linkages for the tranny

3. the ITR Engine itself costs more than a 3sgte clip

4. blah too lazy to type more

[toyotaspeed90]

Originally Posted by Itech

Better yet why don't u try a Mazada RX8 engine. Those things have MASSIVE amounts of HP and like no torque.

I still don't see any reason for you to do this.

1. your going to get clowned on by both communities for being the only person putting a HONDA into a TOYOTA.

2. Have fun doing custom brackets and mounts for the engine placement and custom linkages for the tranny

3. the ITR Engine itself costs more than a 3sgte clip

4. blah too lazy to type more

1. actually it's been done a lot.... LOTS of motors in cars that are different makes... it's becoming more common for ae86's to get s2000 drivetrains....

2. an mk1.5 requires this as well

3. yeah


now, if the thread originator is doing it PURELY for 'looks and stares' then he should probably start with a different platform... although mr2's get glances, they aren't the most 'saught-after' cars out there.......

[4AC = AE71]

well not just for look and stares, but for more power more safely without causeing to much trouble for the car. note that the car weighs a liitle over a ton, so that means the car aint to strong to handle alot of torque. it requires to many mods to get the chassis stiff, and note that all cause of torque. now u get a motor without a lot of torque ( honda motors ) it will only require smaller and simpler mods, not saying u dont have to alrdy. ITR and CTR motors are ok, but my boy said he's going to try to swaps at once next year. he;s gonna try a Mr2 (like mine) and a AE71 (like my old car) and try to a K20A TR into a mr2 and a 4g63T (evo 8 motor) into a AE71 AND convert it to 4WD. my friends were very weird, i got 1 guy who spent 13k on putting a CRX motor onto a go kart (scary fast). the car weighs now close to what a pocket rocket weighs maybe alittle more. i'll try to get into contact with him so i can get some pics of the damnation.

[toyotaspeed90]

a 4g63t isn't just an 'evo8' motor... it's a dsm motor in general

that being said, it's already been done....

the only modification to the chasis that's required to do to the mk1 to make it strong enough for high torque AND horsepower (yes, still needs to be done) is to stiffen where the front mount bolts to and generally use a urethane front mount (they tend to break).

i really do believe putting a b18c5 or b16a variant into the car is going to be WAY too much work for too little gain......

don't forget.... honda motors/trans are opposite from 4age's... so when you put a honda setup in, the engine will be behind the passenger.... meaning? custom mounts, custom water lines, probably end up losing the oil cooler (or custom mounting/less efficient cooling setup), custom axles and/or custom hubs.... not even to start with the differences between the wiring (ecu, body harness connectivity, gauge operation).....

[Zz_005_zZ]

I think the idea of trying something different out isn't a bad idea... seeing as it is an 80's car, some things are worth trying out, However I would not recomment a honda motor, I agree with the person whom said the rx-8 motor would be a great idea, but I more specifically would recommend the 13b from a 1993 rx-7... these motors have a great deal of hp.... they support alot of torque at high rpm's, and would probably make the 80's mr2 do wheelies with minor modifications. My rx-7 was running 11's, and although it was a fairly light car, it's not the little rocketship design of the 80's mr2. I truely hope u will take this into consideration as the rotory motors are easy to convert to other cars, and can be run with carbs. therefor no cpu is needed.bieng a 1.3 liter motor u should be able to turn it sideways, and run all the necessary running gear. The car with minor mods to the motor would be a spectacle at any motorsports park!!

[4AC = AE71]

well maybe u guys are right about the madza motor. ok IF i do think about doing a project like this when i get my next mr2, the only thing i'm thinking about is the trans for the 13b. do they make FWD trans for that motor? i mean since the 13b was a RWD platfrom, do i get a custom trans made or is there 1 out there that i dont know about? and instead of a 13b what about the 3 rotor motor?

[aaron7]

Looks and stares? How about beatdowns? :p

The work it would take and the $$ it would take would net you more power with the 3sgte. I know you want to be different, but hell... any car with a swap is badass. XD

[dLo914]

Originally Posted by 4AC = AE71

well maybe u guys are right about the madza motor. ok IF i do think about doing a project like this when i get my next mr2, the only thing i'm thinking about is the trans for the 13b. do they make FWD trans for that motor? i mean since the 13b was a RWD platfrom, do i get a custom trans made or is there 1 out there that i dont know about? and instead of a 13b what about the 3 rotor motor?

Instead of looking for a FF transmission to bolt onto the 13b why not find a modern transaxle out of an old porsche or something. That way you could run the 13b in it's regular engine configuration. This method would allow for you to center the engine closer to the firewall to create a better front and rear balance. Seen quite a lot of midengine swaps when i was a frequent member of 914club.com. People have done tons of engine swaps into the Porsche 914. Such as Porsche flat 6's, Subaru ej20t, ej25, SBC V8s, rotaries, V6, Audi V6 twin turbo, VW TDI and the list goes on for miles. The guy that did the Audi S4 V6 twin turbo swap went w/ a Porsche Boxster transaxle, because the stock 901 transmission is only good up to 300hp. So he went w/ the modernized boxster transaxle. But yeah good luck on your swap. The 13b would be the ideal route to go since it's lightweight and a good source of power and the carbs would make for an easy setup.

[tHa kNiGHt FaLL]

if your gonna do a cross-breed swap to get any respect it would need to be impressive.

your talking about rb26 skyline
13b or 20b rotarys

to do a motor swap for 15-20 hp gain is the stupidest thing i ever heard