5SFE vs. 3SGTE 2nd GEN

[92MKll]

Ok this is my question, what do you think would be better to do on a 5SFE motor. Just trying to bring up a debate.
1)Upgrade the 5SFE to a turbo charged 5SFE 2.2l
2)Put money into a 3sgte 2nd gen 2.0l
I am pretty sure the 5SFE block can hold up to 500hp and would be a 2.2l turbo, if one would choose to put one on. So what would you do?

[Zz_005_zZ]

The cheaper route is of course the 3sgte. however the 2.2 liter motor as far as I have seen, well surpasses the 2.0 and has tons of torque when turbocharged... I have seen it done at Moroso here in Fla, and the thing not only sounded badass, but was extremely fast... I believe it was in the 11's
With that said, if u have the $$$ and the time, the 5SFE would be the wise decision, but you would need lots of engine modification, all the turbo components, larger injectors, fuel rail, a very expensive piggy back, ot a whole new EMS. Thus probably around 15-20,000.00
So there is my opinion... you could do the 3SGTE, do the slight engine modifications, upgrade the turbo and the intercooler, and recieve the same results, however you will never recieve the amount of torque as the 2.2
As much as I hate to admit it there is no replacement for displacement. Plain and simple (excluding the rotary) :0)

[MR2Jedi]

I think I would go the 3sgte route. easier to get the parts you need, plus a good solid iron block. it doesn't take a whole lot just to get to 300 dependable HP. Like Zz_005_zZ, said $$$ is the key. You got the bucks, anything is possible..

[Zz_005_zZ]

I forgot about the problem with getting parts for the 5SFE... I remember I hated that..

[tHa kNiGHt FaLL]

if you do everything yourself it could end up being cheaper then a 3sgte swap

[tHa kNiGHt FaLL]

its easier and cheaper to have someone swap a motor for you then build one for you.

remember .2 cylinder size isn't gonna make a world of difference.

you can over come that w/ a 3sgte using a custom header... length and shape of the runners

[MR2Jedi]

I don't think the 5sfe head is a good choice for turbocharging.

[the reid]

nah, 5s head is garbage, really depends whether you can find a 5s block for a good price, knight fall is right about the .2, it will make a difference if you do everything, but initially the money could be better spent on your 3s, remember the only important difference with the 5 and 3s is the water jacket/coolant passages between 2-3 cyls. where they are prone to cracking. unless you feel your setup is going to be on the edge i would stick with the 3s until you outgrow it. all your 3s compnent will become interchangable with the 5s if and when it fails you.

[JekylandHyde]

If you are serious about turboing the 5SFE, you are going to want to seriously considering using the 3SGTE head. The 5SFE head is an fuel-economy head that is not designed for big power.

I'm running a stoker now that is a 3SGTE bored & stroked to 2.149.
We utilized the 5SFE crank to ge the stroke.

[Zz_005_zZ]

I was wondering if something like that was done to mine... It seems to only wanna go to or just past 6,000 rpm... It was a swap, so the speedo cluster is still the N/A. I dunno, maybe the rpm guage is off and it's actually at 7..... I really dunno

[the reid]

Originally Posted by Zz_005_zZ

I was wondering if something like that was done to mine... It seems to only wanna go to or just past 6,000 rpm... It was a swap, so the speedo cluster is still the N/A. I dunno, maybe the rpm guage is off and it's actually at 7..... I really dunno

you would know. check the sn #

[Zz_005_zZ]

Good point, I will do so... Where can I verify that the serial # is one to a Ssgte and not a 5SFE??

[deuce93t]

To be honest with you the .2 cylinder size does make a difference1 It just depends on how far you want ot modify the car. if you are just going to dink around then no but in the long run the .2 more makes a huge difference! I did the 5sfe turbo build and i can tell you right now the best way to do it and make actually decently priced and if not cheaper then swap (if you are doing this yourself or possible paying someone) is to buy a turbo rear clip and take the tranny the axels the hubs and the rear tranny mount and brakes and use that all on the car and then sell the shell to a junkyard and sell the motor on ebay and you will come out pretty well because the drivetrain stuff you would buy seperatly would be expensive and this way you get some mooney for the left overs and the motor should make some good money. I went with a different route then Hyde did i actually got my hands on the JDM 3sge head and did it that way. there are alot of ways to do it just how far do you want ot go but serously keep the 5sfe block. you will like it better in the long run! if you have any questions about how i did mine you can email me cptnemo85@juno.com good luck

[tHa kNiGHt FaLL]

Originally Posted by deuce93t

To be honest with you the .2 cylinder size does make a difference1 It just depends on how far you want ot modify the car. if you are just going to dink around then no but in the long run the .2 more makes a huge difference! I did the 5sfe turbo build and i can tell you right now the best way to do it and make actually decently priced and if not cheaper then swap (if you are doing this yourself or possible paying someone) is to buy a turbo rear clip and take the tranny the axels the hubs and the rear tranny mount and brakes and use that all on the car and then sell the shell to a junkyard and sell the motor on ebay and you will come out pretty well because the drivetrain stuff you would buy seperatly would be expensive and this way you get some mooney for the left overs and the motor should make some good money. I went with a different route then Hyde did i actually got my hands on the JDM 3sge head and did it that way. there are alot of ways to do it just how far do you want ot go but serously keep the 5sfe block. you will like it better in the long run! if you have any questions about how i did mine you can email me cptnemo85@juno.com good luck

maybe i didn't clarify.... it depends on wha you want the car for... people down size cylinder size in order to build motor that spin higher rpms... larger for torque... w/ an smaller motor that spins faster you can over that .2 difference in cylinder with something as simple as longer intake runners which help provide a stronger lower end...

[deuce93t]

then yes i agree with you tha knight fall. i find it funny how it all works out that way though how you can make up for stuff like that by doing totally different htings! engines are so amazing