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Old 12-30-2006, 07:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2nd Generation how 2 5sgte

im really loking forward to do a 5sgte, lower com pistons new rods. But what do i need to sit the head on the block? i think it has to be a 2gen head, but why?
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Old 12-31-2006, 03:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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wtf is a 5sgte...?

you mean a frankenstien...? the 5 block w/ the 3 head...?

all you need is a thicker head gasket and forged internals and the head bolts on top
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Old 12-31-2006, 02:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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3s head 5s block

thats rigth, but im not sure if you HAVE TO use a 2 gen head in order to use the 5s block, cause the water passages, and why a thicker head gasket? dont i just need lower comp pistons? and good rods?
what other things do i need so the swap works? (change oil, water pumps on the block)?
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Old 12-31-2006, 03:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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your going to need to a oil line for the turbo...

your lowering compression cause the turbo is going to raise it... if you want to be able to play around w/ boost settings i strongly recommended a thicker stronger gasket.

you want to use a gen 3 head on a 5 block...?

i kno the gen 2 fits and lines up but not sure about a gen 3. if i was a betting man i would say it does too... toyota was very good about making interchangable parts in there older cars. you might need a stronger oil pump. but rods and pistons... have to be forged... turbo ring set.

theres other things too... you need a intake manifold, exhaust manifold... turbo... MAF sensor... you'll need the boost sensor for the intake... you'll need the prolly calibrate the knock sensor to 3sgte specs. ECU unless you can find someone to flash the MAF values into your ECU.

all together its realitively cheaper than the entire swap and has the potential for alot more
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Old 12-31-2006, 03:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=864
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thats rigth, but im not sure if you HAVE TO use a 2 gen head in order to use the 5s block, cause the water passages, and why a thicker head gasket? dont i just need lower comp pistons? and good rods?
what other things do i need so the swap works? (change oil, water pumps on the block)?


you can use a 3rd gen head as well.

Search on mr2oc. I've attached two links, but there are tons more
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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im turbo

i should have said im 91 turbo, but i want to put a 5s block, just by puting head gasket, rods and pistons (87.5mm, with the valve clearence for the valves )on the block, and bolt every thing back, yup i know i have to do the oil and water lines on the block. But its that it?
Also, what, and how much would it be the diference to use a 5s or a 3s crank (machined to accept 3s rods). Why is it so popular to use the 3s crank if it has less stroke?
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its not...

w/ the 5 block and 3 head... its more popular to use the 5 crank for the stroke....

from what i kno its pretty standard remove and replace
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came accross this car on eBay, 2.2turbo

http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/91mr2turbo/

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-...QQcmdZViewItem

he says its knockin, im sure its more work that he says it is.

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Old 01-07-2007, 10:32 AM   #10 (permalink)
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came accross this car on eBay, 2.2turbo

http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/91mr2turbo/

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-...QQcmdZViewItem

he says its knockin, im sure its more work that he says it is.
that isn't a 5sgte....it's a 5sfe that has been turboed. The stock NA mr2 motor with a turbo attached.
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hmm

what would be the benefit to doing this??? Do u then gain the bigger torque? Having the 2.2 block, and the 3s head? I know Chico Race Works sells a stroker motor, And even though it is waaaay more expensive... I imagine that the price would be worth it. But I am just curious to see what the real gains are for having the frankenstein setup. What are the numbers?
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this way is not the way to get the most power out of a mr2 engine, if you want the best power you can get you stoke the 3sgte to a 2.2 wit the 5sfe crank with alot of work done to it, a 5sfe frankenstein will make decent power but be ready for alot of little things going wrong unless you plan to basically redo everything after all these cost i bet a 3sgte swap is cheaper but you are alot more unique
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this way is not the way to get the most power out of a mr2 engine, if you want the best power you can get you stoke the 3sgte to a 2.2 wit the 5sfe crank with alot of work done to it, a 5sfe frankenstein will make decent power but be ready for alot of little things going wrong unless you plan to basically redo everything after all these cost i bet a 3sgte swap is cheaper but you are alot more unique

man there are hundreds of ways to make power w/ any engine.

w/ the right know how or the money to pay someone w/ the know how.

your statement is pure opinion.

i found the 3sgte swap not to be cheaper... frankenstien is cheaper... remote mounted turbo being even cheaper. depends on where you are and who you know...

best way to make power is make friends at a good machine shop
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