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Old 06-04-2008, 10:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Whats a better car for my goals

My goal for the car would be around 300whp and it would must be reliable because the car would get used alot. Price is not the question they are both reasonable. But I am on a budget for making power. And the choices are a...

-93 mr2, steel mist gray, 122k original miles, LSD trans, racing axles, 6 puck ACT clutch, slotted and dimpled EBC brakes, adjustable struts, Eibach lowering springs, new water pump and timing belt, new plugs and wires, rotor and distributer cap, blitz after market blow-off valve, unmodified engine, salvage history with a clean title

-91 mr2 N/A to "complete 1993 JDM swap", 130k body and 60k motor, full cat back exhaust, eibach suspension, I assume its a clean title. He says its a gen 3 but I thought the gen 3 motors were 94+

My other question is which car will hold it value more, I'm guessing the 93. And if I choose the 93 how reliable is it with 122k and before making power what I should do to ensure reliably.
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I would have to go with the '93. Personally, I would only own a car with a swapped engine if I did it myself.Then I would know what all was done and how it was done.
300 hp is pretty easy with the 3sgte. You already have the clutch to handle the extra power. The stock clutch is only good to about 280hp.And the other aftermarket mods are in place too.
All you need is a bigger turbo, 550 injectors, fuel rail, FPR, fuel pump and some type of engine management. A tuned ECU would prolly do the trick for that hp level.
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the reason that its a gen 3 is because it is imported from overseas which were a gen 3. I agree with mr2bad though. I would rather have a car with an unopened engine. And knowing that it hasnt been too modified. Plus i love SMG =)
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Thanks for the info, I was leaning toward the 93 anyway. But isn't the 122,000 miles a big concern. I know the 3sgte is a great motor but I guess I'm just being paranoid. Should i be concerned, I don't have alot of money to throw into it right away and I plan on running it they way I get from the original owner for awhile.
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If you can run a compression test, that will tell much. These engines can really take a beating.The mileage is not that bad, just depends on how well it was taken care of and beat on!
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What are the prices??? If it looked like a clean swap I'd take the '91. It's a lot easier to hit 300whp with a 3rd gen.
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I don't know what the smog laws are in NY, but you might want to think about that too. The gen 3 isn't street legal (no EGR) here in the states.
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I don't know what the smog laws are in NY, but you might want to think about that too. The gen 3 isn't street legal (no EGR) here in the states.
300whp pretty much always = not smog legal.
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If you can run a compression test, that will tell much. These engines can really take a beating.The mileage is not that bad, just depends on how well it was taken care of and beat on!
Defiantly I'll try to do that but what compression should I be looking for?

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What are the prices??? If it looked like a clean swap I'd take the '91. It's a lot easier to hit 300whp with a 3rd gen.
the 93 is 6k while the 91 is 4.5k. Idk if it is a 3rd gen cuz the guy is "selling it for a friend overseas" and isn't sure but he says he has papers for the swap. That whole thing is a little odd and I'm still waiting to get pics from this guy.
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Defiantly I'll try to do that but what compression should I be looking for?
CR=128-164 with 14psi or less difference between cylinders.
There is an online manual(BGB-Big Green Book) on the 1st page of this MR2 Forum for your convenience.
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My goal for the car would be around 300whp and it would must be reliable because the car would get used alot. Price is not the question they are both reasonable. But I am on a budget for making power. And the choices are a...

-93 mr2, steel mist gray, 122k original miles, LSD trans, racing axles, 6 puck ACT clutch, slotted and dimpled EBC brakes, adjustable struts, Eibach lowering springs, new water pump and timing belt, new plugs and wires, rotor and distributer cap, blitz after market blow-off valve, unmodified engine, salvage history with a clean title

-91 mr2 N/A to "complete 1993 JDM swap", 130k body and 60k motor, full cat back exhaust, eibach suspension, I assume its a clean title. He says its a gen 3 but I thought the gen 3 motors were 94+

My other question is which car will hold it value more, I'm guessing the 93. And if I choose the 93 how reliable is it with 122k and before making power what I should do to ensure reliably.
If it is a 93 jdm swap it is NOT a Gen III. Gen III is 94+. It is most likely a JDM Gen II .. 225 hp/ 225ft-lbs. The Gen III is pretty easy to hit 300whp on, thats just intake, exhaust, mbc, and intercooler. Gen II you'll need a fair amount more, but personally I would not trust anyone with a swap'd car unless it was done professionally. Probably safest to chose the 93.
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alright so the gen 3 guys is "oversees"...this already sounds like a scam to me....and for the price they are asking...walk away from that one now.
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alright so the gen 3 guys is "oversees"...this already sounds like a scam to me....and for the price they are asking...walk away from that one now.
agreed. If its not in the U.S. I would stay away.
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I would have to agree with Engineer and MRtuned ... I would be very leary..
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If it is a 93 jdm swap it is NOT a Gen III. Gen III is 94+. It is most likely a JDM Gen II .. 225 hp/ 225ft-lbs.
^Yea thats what I thought thanks for clearing that up. The car is owned by a guy "overseas" but his friend is selling it for him. Anyway I'm going with the 93. Thanks guys for all your help really appreciate it.
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