Universal Exhaust

[supercarman]

i currently have a 91 n/a with plans in the future with swapping in the turbo engine. Im looking at getting a custom single exhaust fabricated for my car, either using the Universal HKS Hi-Power muffler, or the Universal Apexi N1 muffler.

So right now im looking for setup that will give me power since ill be running NA for a bit, then eventually swap in the turbo engine and keeping the muffler, just switching the piping.

So does anybody have experience with any of the exhausts and/or know the differences? Im leaning toward the HKS right now since it comes with the silencer, while the Apexi's silencer is sold seperately.

For the Apexi, the inlet pipe is 80mm, and the tip is 115mm while the HKS the inlet is 75mm, and the tip is 120mm. Can someone point out the advantages/disadvanteges and can someone convert the measurements in inches for me?

ANY help would be appreciated.

[speedemn]

I personally think that a custom tailored exhaust from a shop that knows their exhausts, can't be beat. I tend to stay away from anything "generic."

[SW20 MR2]

Those mufflers are too big for an NA application. 80mm is equal to 3.149 inches. If you're planning on doing a swap, just wait until the swap is complete. You'll lose a lot of your low-end power with such big piping.

On 2002-03-14 17:37, supercarman wrote:
For the Apexi, the inlet pipe is 80mm, and the tip is 115mm while the HKS the inlet is 75mm, and the tip is 120mm. Can someone point out the advantages/disadvanteges and can someone convert the measurements in inches for me?

[SW20 MR2]

What's generic about an exhaust from Greddy specifically for the MR2?

On 2002-03-15 05:01, speedemn wrote:
I personally think that a custom tailored exhaust from a shop that knows their exhausts, can't be beat. I tend to stay away from anything "generic."

[speedemn]

On 2002-03-15 10:20, SW20 MR2 wrote:
What's generic about an exhaust from Greddy specifically for the MR2?

Was it made from a blueprint of YOUR car or YOUR year?

Others might do it different, but for me personally I like to have things custom made for my car with my car, that's all.

Obviously there are exceptions... like body kits and stuff.

[SW20 MR2]

What difference does it make if it fits perfectly? The build quality of the exhausts from companies like Greddy and HKS are generally much nicer than those from custom shops.

I like those types of exhaust more cause I can see if they've worked well for people in the past. If I go to a muffler shop to get an exhaust, who knows if it will make/lose power?

On 2002-03-15 19:15, speedemn wrote:
Was it made from a blueprint of YOUR car or YOUR year?

Others might do it different, but for me personally I like to have things custom made for my car with my car, that's all.

Obviously there are exceptions... like body kits and stuff.

[bondobondo]

kevin vs anish

i smell a nice char-broiled flame war..

round 1.
F-I-G-H-T!

[speedemn]

On 2002-03-16 02:18, SW20 MR2 wrote:
I like those types of exhaust more cause I can see if they've worked well for people in the past. If I go to a muffler shop to get an exhaust, who knows if it will make/lose power?

2 words... Richard Brullen.

'nuff said.

[speedemn]

On 2002-03-16 02:28, trueno92 wrote:
kevin vs anish

i smell a nice char-broiled flame war..

round 1.
F-I-G-H-T!

Shut up pillow-biter... I don't get into flame wars... just intellectual discussions. :grin: If you can't keep up, keep OUT... and I know you can't keep up!

[SW20 MR2]

If I bring my car to Brullen, how do I know if the exhaust will gain/lose power? You can build an exhaust on pure theory (ie. choose a type of muffler, piping diameter, etc.), but whether it works or not is a different story. Brullen is not going to make an exhaust, let you go to the dyno, and come back to modify it if it loses power or it doesn't gain as much as you expect. That's why I prefer the tried and true exhausts that have been tested time and time again by other people.

Are you willing to put your money on it? If custom exhausts (ie. Brullen) are as good as you say they are, I will gladly take my car to Brullen to have him make me a new exhaust. If it makes more power (and no more noise) than my SARD exhaust, I'll gladly pay for it. If it doesn't, you pay for it. :grin:

Nothing like a good debate... :razz:

On 2002-03-16 03:15, speedemn wrote:

2 words... Richard Brullen.

'nuff said.

[speedemn]

On 2002-03-16 10:49, SW20 MR2 wrote:
If I bring my car to Brullen, how do I know if the exhaust will gain/lose power? You can build an exhaust on pure theory (ie. choose a type of muffler, piping diameter, etc.), but whether it works or not is a different story. Brullen is not going to make an exhaust, let you go to the dyno, and come back to modify it if it loses power or it doesn't gain as much as you expect. That's why I prefer the tried and true exhausts that have been tested time and time again by other people.

Are you willing to put your money on it? If custom exhausts (ie. Brullen) are as good as you say they are, I will gladly take my car to Brullen to have him make me a new exhaust. If it makes more power (and no more noise) than my SARD exhaust, I'll gladly pay for it. If it doesn't, you pay for it. :grin:

Nothing like a good debate... :razz:

Dude pay more attention on the forums. I documented step-by-step my interaction with Brullen. Richard needed a stock 4cyl Camry to blueprint since his counterparts in the US were hassling him for one for a while. So he offered me a good deal on the cat-back + muffler if I took my car in. I made a deal with him that I will dyno before and after and if I wasn't satisfied he would work it out with me. I did do before and after dynos, I posted my results and even gave him a copy for his marketing purposes.

I didn't have time to test more settings so I just stuck with the one I got at first. The dyno results were positive, the sound is incredible and I'm not one that's a fan of sound. The only thing I would have experimented with is going another 1/4" bigger just to see what the dyno result and sound effect is. But maybe another time when I have more time to spare.

Now, if we had a bet on this like you wanted, I got bad news for you... YOU LOSE!

[DaksGT]

Hmmmmm... who do I trust a guy thats pushing 99 hp to the wheel or a guy thats doing around 240 has his own performance shop and obviously alot more experience when it comes to modifying cars, its a toughy :grin:

[speedemn]

On 2002-03-16 15:47, DaksGT wrote:
Hmmmmm... who do I trust a guy thats pushing 99 hp to the wheel or a guy thats doing around 240 has his own performance shop and obviously alot more experience when it comes to modifying cars, its a toughy :grin:

What the hell is wrong with you. #1 I'm not 99... you are. #2 he asked for proof of Richard's work. Richard is good as many others here will attest to. I wanted to make that clear. #3 He has an SW20 engine... can you tell the difference between an apple and an orange... maybe York didn't teach you that part yet!

[DaksGT]

On 2002-03-16 16:10, speedemn wrote:

What the hell is wrong with you. #1 I'm not 99... you are. #2 he asked for proof of Richard's work. Richard is good as many others here will attest to. I wanted to make that clear. #3 He has an SW20 engine... can you tell the difference between an apple and an orange... maybe York didn't teach you that part yet!

Was that supposed to be an insult to my intelligence? Cause it sure as hell wasn't, you got University of Waterloo, woo-fucking hoo, congratulations, hats off, whatever you want, you want more ackgnowledgment? Sure York is not one of the "smart" achools, but neither is Ryerson, nor Mc Master etc... , but let me tell you I meet and greet and make friends with more intersteing people at York in one day than you will at Waterloo for a good year, how do I know? I have 2 friends that are at Waterloo and I went there and spent the night, let me tell you this much, most of the women are hmmmm.... beastly, and the people there are hmmmm how can I put this, generaly conceided and and think they are #1 . But I don't wanna argue about that.
As far as horse power figures go, I am 99 I made an honest mistake eventhough I am rated at 140 and have an 11% drivetrain loss, you do the math Waterloo scholar.
As far as the engine difference you exactly proved my point, you have an engine which is not even close to a performance engine, the SW20 has the 3s-gte engine which is one of Toyotas key performance engines. And Kevin (I beleive his name is) has a tuned 3s-gte and I am sure that he did research before he made his exhaust purchase, which is what any smart person would do. And therefore he can make the conclusion that the exhaust he chose is the way to go, and I will bet that his exhaust will make more power than the unit from Brullen.
As far as Brullen goes, I heard good stuff about them, yes. But I also have a friend that is dealing with Brullen right now and they are not giving him anything but stress, the exhaust is sitting too low eventhough he told them to raise it, and they are avoiding his calls right now for the new project he already invested money in and gave some parts for.
So with that said, I would like you to post a pic of your dyno.

[speedemn]

Dude rambling on doesn't really help your "intelligence" cause. I'm not even gonna comment on what you said about Waterloo because it makes no sense whatsoever to what I said... the women and whatever the hell else you were talking about have no bearing on the point I was trying to make.

Anyway, as far as the 3S-GTE engine, you are saying the same thing that I said so why are you arguing with me? If you read the ORIGINAL point of this thread, someone was asking for advice on a specific brand (HKS I believe) and I posted MY OPINION, which worked for ME (this is an open forum the last time I checked)! Then SW20 posted his opinion but he didn't have the facts about Richard so I had to clarify that for Richard's sake. He is good.

As for your 99HP, I didn't know you had a 5-spd since you only have a GT, not the GT-S. But hope that extra 25 HP gives you the jollies you are looking for!

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