the mki had the 4a-ge engine which was a really good NA motor. the mkii has the 3s-ge motor, but that is illegal in the US. the stock motor that comes in the NA mkii is the 5s-fe. i was just wondering if there are any other motors you guys are thinking about for the mkii that isn't turbo-ed. i'm not very educated in mkii so please help me out with this issue. at one point, i was thinking about the 2zz-ge engine, but i wasn't sure if that actually fits. if it does, what do you guys think? sorry if i sound stupid >< please reply! =)
first of all... how is the 3SGE illegal?? Do you mean the 3SGTE? the 3SGE will require all the same things any other swap would to make it "legal." here are some helpful stats: Gen2-160 ponies, Gen3- 180 ponies, Gen4(aka Beams)-200 ponies. The beams engine is hard to get ahold of though. You could also look into a 1mzfe swap (V6).
sorry. i know the 3sgte is in the turbo model. the japanese engine produced 225hp in the 2nd generation and 240hp in the 3rd generation. i know about that part. i also know that the 3s-ge is used in the mkii in countries other than the US. the base model uses 5s-fe, the engine used in the camry for many years. i know it would be hard to find the beams engine, but is it easy to find the 3rd generation of the 3s-ge that produces 180hp? as for the 3s-ge engine, i'm not sure if it can pass smog legally in california. it could pass the emissions test, but probably not the visual (am i correct?). if i wanted a NA motor and wanted to stay away from the v6, do you think the 2zz is actually possible? thanks for all the info!
Don't even think about the 2ZZ, your MKII will be slower than shit with the low torque. The 3S-GE isn't legal in California w/o an EGR system and any engine w/o the factory emissions equipment is also illegal. The BEAMS doesn't need an EGR system, so you might be able to convince some people at the DMV and make them consider it a "Japanese replacement engine."
You can use the 3S-G head w/ the 5S bottom end for more power, but it still needs an EGR system, which limits you considerably. Raise the compression to about 10.5:1 and run premium fuel. The V6 is your best bet for the BEST N/A power available and it's smog legal in CA w/ OBD-II because it's a federalized engine.
Emissions should be fine (it wouldnt hurt to put in some smog reduction juice into your ride before you go get it), As far as the california state inspection, I am not certain of its similarity to Virginia, but when i lived there state inspections were not engine related... more so toward lights, wipers, tires, and brakes... you know the safety stuff. They actually never even popped my engine lid =) I think the visual inspection would go fine if all the things i mentioned above are in good working order. As for the 2zz swap... youll get 180 bhp from, with the six, youll get 240 if im not mistaken. the 2zz may be lighter, but another 60 hp more than offsets the weight difference.
hey 91mr2quickna...what do you mean by EGR system? i wonder how it is possible to find the beams engine. what about the altezza one? could that be modified by using a different transmission? also, the mr2 weighs about 2600lbs for the base model, if you get the 2zz, isn't that the same as sticking that engine in the corolla? how slow would it be? how "easy" is it to get the 3s-ge engine or rear clip? ahhh...i don't know much man...><
-edit- is the 2zz lighter than any of the mentioned engines? is it heavier than the 3s-ge one? if the 5s-fe one was swapped out for the 3s-ge...would the car be slightly lighter?
Your best bet would be a 1mz or a 3sge. The 5sfe is a piece unless you plan on dumping tons of money into it.... which generally yeilds the same results and dumping in 1/2 that amount on a 3sge or 1mz.
thanks for all the info. a 3s-ge sounds good. i probably need to research more on engines just to see what kind of aftermarket parts are available for each engine. it seems to me that the 3s-gte is the most popular one. i guess i don't like v6 engines unless i really want torque. well it really depends. i just feel that the mr2 doesn't need a v6 to be fast. =P i'm weird. anyways, thanks for all the info. where can a 3s-ge be found? toysport.com?
Okay, c'mon guys. 130lb-ft @ 6800rpm w/ 2,600lbs + you, the driver = 2,730+. For starters, the Celica is about 2400lbs. Unless you bore/stroke the motor to 2.0L, you're not gonna get the torque out of that engine. The Corolla XRS 2ZZ is a little better with 127lb-ft at 4400rpm, but 170hp. That's the same amount of torque as a 3S-FE!! It doesn't matter how high the horsepower is, if you don't have the torque to pull the weight, it's pointless.
EGR = Exhaust Gas Recirculation. When they smog your car, the VIN number tells them that you have a 5S-FE w/ such emissions equipment. If they don't find the emissions equipment that's listed, they'll fail you during the visual inspection, where they do look at your engine and its components.
Any VVT-i/dual VVT-i/VVTL-i engine doesn't require an EGR system because the computer controls the hydraulic system that varies the intake (or intake and exhaust for dual VVT-i) valve timing for optimal overlap and it effectively reduces emissions really well.
The blacktop 3S-GE will most likely bolt up to the S54. At least the torque is at a healthy 160lb-ft @ 6,400rpm.
Torque is nice for street car. The GE's are high reving engine which as you see got no torque. Of course it take different driving style for both type of engine.
The S54 for the redtop and blacktop have a taller differential ratio though. You'd have to swap in a ring gear and stuff from a 3.944 S51 to get the car to its top speed of approx. 144mph in the MR2.
so you're saying the engine in the altezza can be used with the s54 (mr2 transmission) and be swapped into the mkii? f0_o that means the altezza one is more common right?
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