Hi Dj-Torn, I found it very useful to join the APA (Automotive Protection Association - which is a consumers advocacy gorup) in Canada. I imagine that in the US there must be a similar organization. As a potential new buyer who knows very little about negotiating or the whole process of buying a car, they provide you with all the orientation needed in addition to other benefits. One of these benefits is that they deal with certain delarship directly as an organization and they get the bottom prices, which are lower than the lowest price that a dealer will give you if you just walk in from the streets. I already confirmed this, by getting a quote for a Yaris through APA from a dealer that they deal with in, and the quote was quite tempting. However, in the end I decided that I will buy an used Echo instead. (I know I may get some grief from Yaris lovers here for this.