2000 Echo Manual Transmission Oil change

[the_unliked]

Realized I hadn't changed this out yet, and there is a rubbing/grinding noise coming from my gearbox, but only in gear. In neutral, or with clutch depressed, there is no noise.

Anyway, figured I would change it out before investigating it further and there were one or two things I had a question about. Firstly, I've read that the drain plug on a lot of cars were magnetic so as to attract the little bits of metal particles from the degrading gears and to keep them from floating around in the oil. Well, neither my drain plug or filler plug were magnetic, and, lo and behold, the spent oil was full of shiny little metal particles.

Also, neither plug seemed to have a gasket or o-ring or anything. This flies in the face of what I think should be the case.

So, any information from anyone that's changed their oil before would be good. And anyone with some thoughts as to how to move forward from here if the rubbing noise continues.

Thanks
Jay

[Stevo_Echohb05]

You should have an aluminum gasket on both the drain and fill plugs, possibly no magnate on the plug.

[jambo101]

I guess if you got an oil analysis they could tell you exactly where those metal bits were coming from.
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/

For a start change the oil and see if noise persists,if it does its take the tranny apart time or just replace with another..

[the_unliked]

Oil is changed and the noise seems to be persisting. Once again, it is only while in gear, so could it be as simple as a bearing on the input shaft or something. I don't want to mess around too much with it, as it is my daily commute, but I would like to garner as much information before going into the shop.

Thanks for the replies thus far. The plugs both have aluminium gaskets, but I really don't see a magnet anywhere.

[the_unliked]

Update:

There is still a noise. I had initially thought that the noise was only present with car in gear and clutch engaged, this is not the case, if it is in neutral and clutch engaged there is a very slight noise. It becomes a lot more noticeable in gear, under load.

When I changed the transmission oil, there seemed to be a little oil around the output shaft going to the right hand wheel, I wiped this away and it doesn't seem to have returned after a couple hundred miles.

To my way of thinking, this seems to be a input shaft bearing issue, does anyone out there know if this sounds right? With the clutch disengaged, the input shaft would not be spinning at all, and there is no noise when this is the case. When the clutch is engaged (even in neutral?) the input shaft from the engine to the gearbox would be spinning and this is when I hear the noise. Makes me think bearing. Any advice at all would be fairly helpful. Is this a job that I could conceivably do myself?

Extra info; with the car on stands, engine off and in neutral, I manually spun both wheels, no noticeable noise, hence output shafts fine surely. Also, if I already had the momentum on the road and disengaged the clutch the noise would continue as the wheels would continue to spin, this is not the case. A possible aside is that the right wheel seems to spin a lot easier than the left. I don't think this is related, but could that just be a wheel bearing issue?

Thanks again

[denman]

Originally Posted by the_unliked

Update:

There is still a noise. I had initially thought that the noise was only present with car in gear and clutch engaged, this is not the case, if it is in neutral and clutch engaged there is a very slight noise. It becomes a lot more noticeable in gear, under load.

When I changed the transmission oil, there seemed to be a little oil around the output shaft going to the right hand wheel, I wiped this away and it doesn't seem to have returned after a couple hundred miles.

To my way of thinking, this seems to be a input shaft bearing issue, does anyone out there know if this sounds right? With the clutch disengaged, the input shaft would not be spinning at all, and there is no noise when this is the case. When the clutch is engaged (even in neutral?) the input shaft from the engine to the gearbox would be spinning and this is when I hear the noise. Makes me think bearing. Any advice at all would be fairly helpful. Is this a job that I could conceivably do myself?

Extra info; with the car on stands, engine off and in neutral, I manually spun both wheels, no noticeable noise, hence output shafts fine surely. Also, if I already had the momentum on the road and disengaged the clutch the noise would continue as the wheels would continue to spin, this is not the case. A possible aside is that the right wheel seems to spin a lot easier than the left. I don't think this is related, but could that just be a wheel bearing issue?

Thanks again

The front wheel bearings are a little tight when new, as if they have some preload build in. Could be coincidence but it was my RHS front wheel bearing that went first. When I started chasing the little rumble noise up front I found the RHS wheel could be wiggled a bit, but the LHS was hard tight, nil play. The bearing I took out was UGLY, cages damaged and ball bearings discolored. They are real precision bearings, and the new ones could not be turned by hand out of the box. They turned fine when installed.

[Rossy048]

I have a 2007 Yaris Sedan 5 speed with 1400000 miles. Ive been noticing a gear meshing sound when there is a light load on the trans. It seems to be getting louder over time. I plan on changing to trans oil this weekend. Where is the fill? I havent looked yet

[hamadaaqle]

Mr. Unliked,
I have the same problem with my echo 2000 manual car. I changed the clutch kit and and the gear transmission oil but the problem is still there.
Can you tell me if your problem has been sorted out.
Thanks