Has anyone noted any late shifting of your transmission when starting from cold. This morning I started out and the first shifts seemed normal, but then I was quickly accelerating and noted the engine was beginning to over rev. I was thinking of backing off quickly on the accelerator which sometimes kicks in older torque converter type trannys, when it decided to shift.
From then on it was OK for the rest of the day.
Tomorrow morning I'll do a test drive with my whole focus on the transmission. Hope I was just imagining it. Odometer has just 450 Kilometers.
Try 2 things.
1)Check the level of the transmission fluid when the car is nic and hot. If it's low at all or overfilled, this could contribute to a hard or late shift.
2)Try letting the car warm up before you drive it. See if this makes it go away. Vehicles SHOULD be allowed to get to opperating temp. before being driven anyways. Sometimes when a car is cold, it won't run quite properly. Until my 05 Echo HB warms up the rpm's are sitting at 1200-1800 as opposed to 500-700 when warmed up.
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Try 2 things.
1)Check the level of the transmission fluid when the car is nic and hot. If it's low at all or overfilled, this could contribute to a hard or late shift.
2)Try letting the car warm up before you drive it. See if this makes it go away. Vehicles SHOULD be allowed to get to opperating temp. before being driven anyways. Sometimes when a car is cold, it won't run quite properly. Until my 05 Echo HB warms up the rpm's are sitting at 1200-1800 as opposed to 500-700 when warmed up.
I checked the engine oil this morning but not the transmission oil. personally I never go under the hood in the first few hundred miles, strictly warranty time period as far as I'm concerned. If the factory has done it's job, that is acceptance testing and inspection, then there should be no problem in that area.
I think its got to do with the electronics. I worked in that field before retiring, and if they didn't use environment robust components, then the component will act late or early. Resistors do a better job when cold, but the resistance varies according to temperature. Of course it could be something else.
I let the engine warm up a moment before getting started, but that rule is a preference, not a must do. Not everyone will be able to allow for that at all times.
I tried it this morning and confirmed the problem. Shifts are 15 ish, 42 ish, and that's it. I brought it up to 75kph with no change from 42 and the engine reving.
I stopped and started again slowly, 15 ish, 42 ish, then 60 ish, this time OK.
No, I don't buy it. If it's acting this way now, what is it going to do at -30 next winter.
I'm calling the dealer for a Saturday appointment.
Andy....You'd be surprised how many vehicles I see in a week with overfilled Transmission and engine oils from the factory. Don't put your faith inline workers ALL the time. I would realistically say that 25% of new cars coming off the line have overfilled engine and/or transmission oils.
Good luck at the dealer.
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Are you aware that the ECHO will not shift into high gear until the warm up light goes out?
So if my dad is having a heart attack I'm supposed to wait until my engine warms up?
Fat chance. The tradoff is I get my dad to the hospital, but my tranny is scrap and the engine blows a rod.?
Your probably right, but it doesn't make sense. The transmission operation should be designed around every possible incident that could occur, not restrict the operator to the most probable conditions. The older transmissions had it right. The Torgue converter working on pressure caused by the engine and that decided when the transmission should shift.
I've got a warranty and may decide to leave it at the dealer. I'm getting my neighbour a mechanic to test drive it again for his opinion.
Well, if it's any consolatrion, high gear is overdrive, so you can do highway speed in 3rd until it warms up, your mileage suffers is all. Doesn't take too long, in my case about a mile, and it's pretty peppy then too. I don't live at a highway ramp, so I have to go about 4 miles at 45MPH anyway, so no discernible difference to me, but I agree, it's ANNOYING!
Well, if it's any consolatrion, high gear is overdrive, so you can do highway speed in 3rd until it warms up, your mileage suffers is all. Doesn't take too long, in my case about a mile, and it's pretty peppy then too. I don't live at a highway ramp, so I have to go about 4 miles at 45MPH anyway, so no discernible difference to me, but I agree, it's ANNOYING!
Not even the dealer gave me that bit of information, thanks. But I think it's third gear I'm talking about. If 45 MPH is 60 KPH(ish) that's the gear.
Your probably right, but it doesn't make sense. The transmission operation should be designed around every possible incident that could occur, not restrict the operator to the most probable conditions. Andy
Only in a perfect world, which BTW we don't live in. I drive manual so I don't have these types of problems, but like I said before it is advisable to allow for the vehicle to reach operating temp.
If dads having a heart attack.....obviously drive it, but if you can allow the vehicle to warm up, it will extend the life of the car(which is well worth the 2-5 mins. each time).
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Okay Andy, time to calm down. I believe the situation you described is normal. The HB I drive now is a manual, so there ain't such a problem. But my previous car was a 93 Camry automatic, which does the same thing (where it wouldn't shift up from 3rd to 4th aka Overdrive) unless the temperature needle went a bit above the bottom-line. In the case of the Echo, since there's only a light that tells you the engine is warmed up yet, my advice is to start off driving at a slightly slower than speed limit but consistent speed. Warming up the car right after starting it up before driving it has NOTHING to do with this so-called "phenomenon." The purpose of not letting the up-shift to Overdrive is common sense, which is to allow the engine to further warm up quicker. And no, it certainly won't damage the drivetrain (unless you're bouncing off the rev-limiter excessively), only waste more gas that's all.
So calm down and don't get piss, this situation is normal. And hope that your dad will never get a heart attack.
My sis got an hatchback echo. I read on the manual, it said that when the automatic transmission is not in the working temp, the transmission does not want to shift to OD (4th).
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