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Oil Change at 10,000 mile intervals

I purchased 2012 Camry LE yesterday (4/11/12) and part of the deal is free oil change for life of car, but dealer says they're using systemic oil now and only change oil once a year or every 10,000 miles. This seems very high between oil changes (10,000 miles).
Would like to know what everyone thinks;
Would it be safe every 10,000 miles or would it be better to have it changed at earlier intervals to protect engine.
Thanks in advance
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I purchased 2012 Camry LE yesterday (4/11/12) and part of the deal is free oil change for life of car, but dealer says they're using systemic oil now and only change oil once a year or every 10,000 miles. This seems very high between oil changes (10,000 miles).
Would like to know what everyone thinks;
Would it be safe every 10,000 miles or would it be better to have it changed at earlier intervals to protect engine.
Thanks in advance
They're using synthetic oil, and 10,000 mile intervals are fine for it. Even on regular oil, the car can go 5-6,000 miles before needing an oil change. My 2010 Accord typically went 6200 miles before needing one (using regular old 5W-20).
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As long as that interval meets Toyota warranty requirements, you are good. I bought oil change for life on my 2005 Uplander for $400. Changed the oil at the dealer every 6,000 miles using regular oil. Dealer wanted it in at that interval. The maintenance reminder rarely dropped below 20% oil life remaining. I am on my 20th oil change. I can believe 10,000 miles or 1 year is OK. If anything goes wrong with the engine that is oil related, they are on the hook in any case.

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Toyota knows 10K is often enough to keep the motor troublefree until the 60,000 mile powertrain warranty expires and the 100K extended warranty expires.

But 10K is too long of an interval for owners who want to keep their engines troublefree for 150,000 miles or more.

So take your choice.
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^ Well said. If the car is a keeper change oil at 50% the interval - at 5000 miles. If it's a lease or will be a trade-in after a few years then you don't care. 10K is fine.

Do the first oil change at 5000 miles or less, maybe even at 1500 miles. Take a sample of it and send it to Blackstone Labs for oil analysis. The factory fill typically will have a lot of wear metals from break in, and the lab will recommend an interval for the next drain. See what they recommend.

That said, a lot of people think the 10K interval that VW recommends is too long, but oil analyses show it's actually quite reasonable. But Toyota has been having problems since Gen 4 with their engines.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/tests-price-list.php
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Toyota knows 10K is often enough to keep the motor troublefree until the 60,000 mile powertrain warranty expires and the 100K extended warranty expires.

But 10K is too long of an interval for owners who want to keep their engines troublefree for 150,000 miles or more.

So take your choice.
This simply is not factual. My last company car went 10K between changes using Mobil1 and the engine was still purring and not using oil at 218K when I got another company sled. The same is true for all of the company cars... and none have ever had any engine trouble.


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I purchased 2012 Camry LE yesterday (4/11/12) and part of the deal is free oil change for life of car, but dealer says they're using systemic oil now and only change oil once a year or every 10,000 miles. This seems very high between oil changes (10,000 miles).
Would like to know what everyone thinks;
Would it be safe every 10,000 miles or would it be better to have it changed at earlier intervals to protect engine.
Thanks in advance
So you have free dealer oil changes for life and your worried? Those aren't cheap! No worries the dealer will have all your info. 10k is the new norm now. The engine and oil technology are new, what we did on older cars is becoming a thing of the past. Not sure what your calling the oil. Toyota makes thier own 0w20 synthetic that is held in very high regard by oil chemists on BITOG and considered one of the best oils in the world. Your good to go, relax and enjoy the 10k OC's

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Here is a food for thought.

http://www.toyota.com/toyota-care/

Any new Toyota that is bought or leased, Toyota will do the oil changes for 2 years or 25,000 miles and includes 24-Hr. Roadside Assistance Covers.

Also if have Toyoguard as an option on your window sticker you get two more oil changes.

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^ So if the factory fill is synthetic, the free oil changes will be conventional then?

^^ I always thought Mobil makes Toyota's oil in the US. They even come in the same shaped bottles but with different colors.
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^ So if the factory fill is synthetic, the free oil changes will be conventional then?

^^ I always thought Mobil makes Toyota's oil in the US. They even come in the same shaped bottles but with different colors.
Correct, its specially made by XOM to Toyota's own specifications. Substantially thinner than 0w20 M1. Because the new spec for the 12 is synthetic, and...there is no "0w" conventional..thats it the days of conventional are over for the 12 Camry.

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^ So if the factory fill is synthetic, the free oil changes will be conventional then?

^^ I always thought Mobil makes Toyota's oil in the US. They even come in the same shaped bottles but with different colors.

On the wesite there is a number "2" and if you click on it says this
"Engine oil may include OW20 Synthetic Oil, depending on vehicle model and model year."
Who knows what each dealership will put in. I will ask mine to put in 0W20.
http://www.toyota.com/toyota-care/
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Thanks for the replies!!
Ok, I feel much better about the 10,000 mile interval. I was raised where 2,000 then 3,000 was normal. Then came 5,000 using Synthetic, now its 10,000 pretty good jump to me.
Again thanks for the reassurance, I needed it!!
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ok, I feel much better about the 10,000 mile interval. I was raised where 2,000 then 3,000 was normal. Then came 5,000 using Synthetic, now its 10,000 pretty good jump to me.
Toyota owners manuals specified 10,000 miles with dino oil back in the 1980's. I didn't listen to that and my 1989 Corolla now has 299,100 troublefree miles (zero engine oil leaks, valve seal leakage or emission system parts replacements) thanks to 3000-4000 mile change intervals. But I would have been fine with 10,000 mile changes too, IF I had planned to sell/trade the car at around 100-150,000 miles.
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Toyota owners manuals specified 10,000 miles with dino oil back in the 1980's. I didn't listen to that and my 1989 Corolla now has 299,100 troublefree miles (zero engine oil leaks, valve seal leakage or emission system parts replacements) thanks to 3000-4000 mile change intervals. But I would have been fine with 10,000 mile changes too, IF I had planned to sell/trade the car at around 100-150,000 miles.
Will you stop with this nonsense already!!!
You're in every thread telling people how your 3k changes saved you engine from supposed leaky valve seals.
Well guess what, there is probably 1000s of people that didn't go as anal about oil as you did and their valve seals are not leaking either. You want to spend your money for something to give you good feeling, great, but don't proclaim it as a gospel for everyone else.
If I follow your logic, changing my engine every 10000 miles will also save me from leaky valve seals but it's no the route to go.

Don't you think toyota analyzed this subject more that you did? do you think that they just as all US manufacturers that want to get rid of the headache of warranty support and leave customers on their own once the warranty is over? I think not. Toyota is well aware that if their valve seals will start leaking around 100k or sooner people will call their cars crap and the demand will fall which is the last thing they want.
for years they prided themselves on having the best used cars out there since the quality lasts.
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