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Ha've had this car for about a month. Its black, have used mequiars ultimate compound and polish and can't seem to get swirl marks out. Also I am using the da polisher that hooks to a drill. The swirls are minor nit it's not the finish I am looking for. Should. I just wax it Or use something like black wax.

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Ha've had this car for about a month. Its black, have used mequiars ultimate compound and polish and can't seem to get swirl marks out. Also I am using the da polisher that hooks to a drill. The swirls are minor nit it's not the finish I am looking for. Should. I just wax it Or use something like black wax.

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I have black too and will be correcting the swirls soon. I've just been waiting for some time and some nice weather.

Waxing it won't remove the swirls. A black wax may hide them some but it's just a filler.

You need something like M105/m205 by Meguiar's. If the swirls are light you might be able to use just the 205. There are a bunch of other products out there that will give you the same results, that is just what I use.

I'll be using a Porter Cable 7424xp.

Here's a pretty good link. You can see they got some pretty good results by hand in the door handle picture.
http://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-P...ars-m105-m205/

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Thanks I will try that hope it helps. Although my technique may be wrong as in not enough pressure on the da or not enough polish

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Thanks I will try that hope it helps. Although my technique may be wrong as in not enough pressure on the da or not enough polish

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It could also be the pad. What kind of pad are you using?
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The pad that comes with the ultimate compound. I am using the da power system that attaches to a drill

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Red pad for compound, yellow for polish

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I have black too and will be correcting the swirls soon. I've just been waiting for some time and some nice weather.

Waxing it won't remove the swirls. A black wax may hide them some but it's just a filler.

You need something like M105/m205 by Meguiar's. If the swirls are light you might be able to use just the 205. There are a bunch of other products out there that will give you the same results, that is just what I use.

I'll be using a Porter Cable 7424xp.

Here's a pretty good link. You can see they got some pretty good results by hand in the door handle picture.
http://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-P...ars-m105-m205/
Nice. I will be picking up the m105 for myself. Tons of small scratches and nicks around the door handle!


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^Depending on how bad, you might not need M105. I got some serious crap up with M205. But I used a PC 7424XP. Also used a decently aggressive pad to help.

The key phrase to keep in mind is start with the least aggressive method that will get you the desired results. So start w/ M205 on a test spot. Does it get you results you're happy with? If not, either step up to a more aggressive pad, or step up in product. So product would be M105. Start with a light cut pad, see if you're happy. If not, then go to a more cut pad.

If you use M105, you're going to need to go over it all again with M205 to leave a nice, shiny finish. Especially if using a da polisher like the PC 7424XP

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Make sure you use a random orbital buffer when you wax your car

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^Depending on how bad, you might not need M105. I got some serious crap up with M205. But I used a PC 7424XP. Also used a decently aggressive pad to help.

The key phrase to keep in mind is start with the least aggressive method that will get you the desired results. So start w/ M205 on a test spot. Does it get you results you're happy with? If not, either step up to a more aggressive pad, or step up in product. So product would be M105. Start with a light cut pad, see if you're happy. If not, then go to a more cut pad.

If you use M105, you're going to need to go over it all again with M205 to leave a nice, shiny finish. Especially if using a da polisher like the PC 7424XP
Yeah 205 is a great product and will take out a lot of damage on it's own. I'd always start with it and then move up if needed.
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^Depending on how bad, you might not need M105. I got some serious crap up with M205. But I used a PC 7424XP. Also used a decently aggressive pad to help.

The key phrase to keep in mind is start with the least aggressive method that will get you the desired results. So start w/ M205 on a test spot. Does it get you results you're happy with? If not, either step up to a more aggressive pad, or step up in product. So product would be M105. Start with a light cut pad, see if you're happy. If not, then go to a more cut pad.

If you use M105, you're going to need to go over it all again with M205 to leave a nice, shiny finish. Especially if using a da polisher like the PC 7424XP

I figured the 105 was the lighter of the two! I'll start with 205 then.


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Make sure you use a random orbital buffer when you wax your car

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You don't need to use a random orbital/da to wax. Most people probably prefer to apply wax/sealant by hand and that's fine.

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Yeah 205 is a great product and will take out a lot of damage on it's own. I'd always start with it and then move up if needed.
Yea, I was impressed. I'd still rather my Menzerna line up, but M205 can definitely be quicker and easier since it doesn't have to break down. Easier for a beginner as well.
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I figured the 105 was the lighter of the two! I'll start with 205 then.
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Unless the car was damaged and repainted I doubt it would have buffer swirls from the factory so I assume they are just spider swirls, I have had pretty good luck with this product and a Porter Cable DA and a finishing foam pad. I used it on my 70 El Camino SS with base/clear Fathom Blue/White stripes, it made a 90% difference then applied Meguiars Carnauba Gold wax by hand, pleased, yep.
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There are definitely stories of buffer swirls and rids from factory, often referred to as "factory installed swirl option" or FISO. So if your car makes it through the factory with none, then there is a great chance your dealer jacked it up, let alone if your dealers "detailer" got his hands on it to fix anything. That is called DISO, or dealer installed swirl option.

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Sorry Matt but I am an avid looker at cars and I have to disagree that paint from the factory on the majority of cars does not have buffer marks. Now other deficiency's like orange peel YES, I SEE PLENTY OF THAT, and panels that aren't laid down correctly when fixing pre sale dent or mishaps.
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