Sorry I and other are letting our feelings be known.Skip, I'm loathe to reply. We know how you obsessed over the switch back to the Gen 3 Avalon. Are you going to make your new mission trash talking the 2013?
So maybe some editions of the 2013 Avalon are not buicks anymore....
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:...but there have been a rash of guys named Skip on Edmunds, KBB, etc. complaining about the 2013 not being a Luxury Automobile.
Tell Skip we said "Hello!" :hi:I understand what you're saying. And I will agree that there are some degrees in opinion with regards to luxury. Do I think a quiet, cushy ride are base elements?...yes.
I'm 36. I love a nice sporty ride for fun. And when I want that I just grab my wife's '03 Eclipse GTS Spyder and give it a squeeze (super nice car and very fun to drive). However for work miles (the loin share of my driving) I want luxury. Not sporty, or tight. Nice cushy seats & ride, with smooth power. And I get all of that with my '06.
BTW, I think BMW's up to the 5 series are all sport no luxury. You're not going to get into a luxury Bimmer until you get to the 7 series....
Lastly, when I say the Gen4 isn't luxury I am not trying to offend current owners, I'm simply giving my assessment. I just don't think the Gen3 & Gen4 are the same class car. Gen3=Luxury, Gen4=Sport-Sport/Luxury. BTW, I am sure it is a great quality car. My comments should not be taken in that light at all. That being said, I think the Camry is a great car! Just not very comfortable for long hours in regularly....
And yeah, I just might say hi to Skip....most of my driving is in Maine!!
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ex·ag·ger·ate (The car is great if they had not bolted the front axle solid to frame. Sporty and firm is one thing but having a collision with every bump on road is reason to trade 2013 Avalon Ltd (1500 miles) off. Be prepared to to take beating if you buy one.
You and others just don't get it. Tons of potential Avalon buyers expect the latest version of a luxury car to offer MORE ride comfort, MORE quiet and a PLUSHER interior than they ever experienced before. But neither the 2013 Avalon nor the 2013 ES350 are superior in those respects to the 2012 models they replaced - indeed the 2013 versions are slightly rougher riding, slightly more noisy and have noticably less plush looking and feeling interior surfaces; e.g. more hard plastic. It's like going backwards in time instead of forward. So these potential buyers will look over the competitions cars over more closely and many seem to have already been swayed by the new Lincoln MKZ and, to a lesser extent, the Hyundai Genesis / Azera.I love reading the bitching from cheesed off Gen 3 owners moaning about how "rough riding" and "loud" the new car is. Calling any Avalon rough riding or loud discredits you completely.
The 2013 Avalon will be on the test ride list for sure. But I want to wait until the 14's are approaching and there is the year end sale and save a few $$.
Skip,So now here is the REAL question.
- Would you have still purchased the New Avalon if it was;
- Bigger / More spacious
- More comfortable
- ***Quieter / less road noise (yes some of that is tires - so don't sell it with Loud tires?)
- Larger trunk opening
- Had reclining seats in the back
- Full size spare
- Larger fuel tank
Remember, the 2013 design, just with the above features?
*** Many buyers switch to different size tires and rims after purchasing a car / truck, but they should have to do this, to get a smooth, quiet ride (Yes, in my opinion).
Hi folks. I know some of asked me to take a hike, but enough is enough already.
Is the 2013 Toyota a Nice car … yes!
Is the 2013 Toyota a "Premium Luxury Sedan", sorry no. But that doesn't make it a great car.
It is a very nice "Premium Luxury Sporty Sedan" In my opinion.
They say no, I say yes!
- Sports Paddle Shifters
- Sports Driving Mode
- Sports car feeling while driving
And this is fine for what they came up with, but do not try to sell it as a Premium Luxury Sedan, it just isn't.
YES it looks great!
Yes the new techie stuff is cool (and some of it I already miss).
YES the fit, finish and trim is outstanding, although I must admit I was not a fan of the raised panels and 3 color scheme.
Do I miss my 2013 … sorry no.
Do I miss some of the features offered on the 2013 Avalon, Hell yeah, but those features don't swing hard enough for the ones it doesn't have.
Would I have been happier if they would have made a "Sporty Version" along side a "Luxury Version", and then I could have purchased what I was looking for … YES
Hell they make a LS Sedan, An LS Sports Sedan and an even MORE luxurious LS L, so we know they could have done it.
Nobody made me buy the 2013, just like nobody made me trade the 2013 in towards a 2012. The 2013 just didn't fit the bill for me.
Money aside, I NEED to like what I drive, Feel and be comfortable in what I drive and I wasn't in the 2013 Avalon model I purchased.
Oh, for those interested, Toyota has emailed me several times, and call me at HOME to get my input, thoughts on the 2013 and why I traded.
Oh, the irony in this whole thing, is I really wanted (I think) an LS, in in the end, I spent (when adding my loss) about what it would have cost me for a nice used LS
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