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Old 09-18-2004, 01:06 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Manual. Shift points are controlled by -- YOU .

For tC, in particular, I'd add lower ratio final drive, if available. 29mph in first, 50mph in second... those are very short gears. No one wants to work them that fast.

Longer gears will allow power to be spread more evenly. Yes, you'll get less pull and acceleration, but think of traction -- can't accelerate if you're spinning tires. Hence, reaching 60+ in 2nd is the way to go on anything around 300bhp. You'll be running in mid-5s to 60. Very purty numbers .
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Old 09-18-2004, 08:17 AM   #17 (permalink)
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How about you re-read your own post objectively and tell me that it isn't suggesting that the only reason manual is the "way to go" is because automatics are for gays.

Not to mention it reeks of immaturity.
Sorry if the gay thing offended you.
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Old 09-18-2004, 08:23 AM   #18 (permalink)
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...... reaching 60+ in 2nd is the way to go on anything around 300bhp. You'll be running in mid-5s to 60.
IMHO Reaching 60+ in any car is the way to go, provided it has ample HP, 140+hp.
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Old 09-19-2004, 08:12 PM   #19 (permalink)
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funner isn't even a word...
Yah it is. Just like stupider.
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Old 09-20-2004, 12:06 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Here is my logic on choseing to drive the 5-speed:

Manual Advantages:
-More Power (less drive train loss)
-Faster (shift closer to the optimal time, not when the auto wants to)
-Cheaper to buy
-Cheaper to repair
-Better gas mileage (not as true in the tC but it means the 5-speed is geared that much faster)
-More fun to drive
-More Control of the car

Automatic Advantages:
-Can be lazy
-If you need to eat a big mac and put on make-up while driving in stop and go traffic, the auto is easyier.
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Old 09-20-2004, 03:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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manual is the way to go
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IMHO Reaching 60+ in any car is the way to go, provided it has ample HP, 140+hp.
Now that I think about it, even with 200hp (TRD SC), a slightly longer set of gears would be better. I can chirp and spin way too easily, as is. Cannot imagine with 40hp extra...
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Old 09-21-2004, 09:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I bought the 5 speed Xb so I could tow it behind my motorhome then have fun once we got to where we are going.
The only mods so far are cold air intake, exhaust, header, tow bar base plate and coilovers.

I am very happy I bought the 5 spd -vs- an auto. This is an awesome little 1.3 liter rocket with the 5 speed. Doesnt hit the rev limiter until about 6400 and you can have a WHOLE lot of fun before it gets there. My only whine is that I hit the rev limiter in 5th gear at 122 mph on a downhill run. LOL

Looking forward to replacing the plastic timing gears with alloys and adding a supercharger. Anyone have a line on an upgraded MSD style ignition system for this engine? So far no-one will touch it.

Xb~Blondie.. cool home page. I am a BBQ guy with a traveling road show. We need to talk about these monthly parties in San Marcos
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Old 09-22-2004, 10:06 AM   #24 (permalink)
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the xB (and xA for that matter) in the US both use the 1.5L 1NZ engine, not the 1.3L 2NZ

btw, the only supercharger i know fo that's out for the xB is the Blitz supercharger that costs like 5k, and gives mediocre gains.
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