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TSB - Engine Knock/Rattle/Squeak on Cold Start

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Just wanted to give everyone a heads up about this. My car had made a squealing/rattle sound for about a second on a cold start: I ignored it because it only happened once. For the past two days my car has done it every cold start (a total of 5 times) so I decided to take it in to the dealership. I told the tech I thought it may be the belt and/or tensioner and he agreed it was likely. I took my loaner car (downgrade to base model Corolla :ugh3:) and went about my day, he assured me it should be done by early afternoon. After 4 hours I decided to call that is when I got the news that there is a TSB out for my issue and I would be without my car for 4-5 days because they do not have the parts in stock.:brick:

I had him print out the TSB information so that I could relay it to everyone here because I know others were having the same issue. The TSB does not mention a squeal but it may sound like a squeal/knock/rattle/screech/metallic grinding. Apparently this is attributed to an oil leak.

T-SB-0087-09 - March 13, 2009

Brief Engine Knock/Rattle Noise at Cold Startup

Service Category: Engine/Hybrid System
Section: Engine Mechanical
Market: USA

Applicability:
2009 Corolla - Engine(s): 2ZR. Transmission(s): 4AT, 5MT. VDS(s): BL40E, BU40E.
2009 Matrix - Drive Type(s): 2WD. Engine(s): 2ZR. Transmission(s): 4AT, 5MT. VDS(s): KU40E

Introduction:
Immediately following a cold soak startup, some 2009 model year Corolla and Matrix vehicles may exhibit a brief knock/rattle noise from the engine compartment for approximately one second. Follow the repair procedure below to address customer concerns.

Parts Information:

Previous Part Number: 13050-0T010. Current Part Number: Same. Part Name: Gear Assembly, Camshaft Timing. Qty: 1.

Previous Part Number: 11213-37020. Current Part Number: Same. Part Name: Gasket, Cylinder Head Cover. Qty: 1.

Previous Part Number: 11159-37010. Current Part Number: Same. Part Name: Gasket, Camshaft Bearing Cap Oil Hole. Qty: 2.

Previous Part Number: 13552-0T020. Current Part Number: Same. Part Name: Gasket, Timing Chain Tensioner. Qty: 1.

Warranty Information:
OP Code: EG9006. Description: R & R Camshaft Timing Gear Assembly. Time: 1.5. OFP: 13050-0T010. T1: 06. T2: 40.

Applicable Warranty:
This repair is covered under the Toyota Powertrain Warranty. This warranty is in effect for 60 months or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the vehicle's in-service date. Warranty application is limited to correction of a problem based upon a customer's specific complaint.

Well there it is, sorry for the long story to start. My car will be at the dealer until Tuesday but I will post an update once I get it back and run it for a few days. If you are having a similar issue I would take it in to be checked soon.
 
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#3 ·
yea get this on sticky.........i have the SAME problem, when i went to the dealer they told me its a new car, we didnt find anything blah blah blah all bullshit. i have 6,650 miles on my car and it should not be making a squeak noise when i start it and a knock sound when i put it into drive. im starting to hate corollas they are nothing but problems, all little small stuff. im gonna try and go back to the dealer next week and bitch someone out..
 
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#5 ·
129... you're Welcome!
 
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#7 ·
I have chimed in time and time again how important information like TSB's should be stickies. Until recently the only stickie worthy information mods have put up are "post pics of your ride" and other generic Toyota information. :snore:

Perhaps the newer mods that have put up important and safety related information would post up a TSB only thread where in the TSB info only is posted and discussions concerning those TSBs discussed below in a separate thread. ;)
 
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#11 ·
ok

so i took the car in yesterday, i told them to let it sit over night and start it up in the morning and it will squeak/chirp for 1 second, the service ad told me they could not get the sound, could not hear it and they gave me a loaner and told me they will try again tomorrow


they also told me that this is new to them, i was the only car about this issue ?? hahaha yea right, ive heard about this many times on this forum. i told them that there was a TSB out for it and they were clueless as to what i was talking about and before i told them that, they told me about a TSB on some clips on the back window that rattled that they fixed..

it seemed like they got mad when i mentioned the TSB on the chirp/squeak sound and that there is 2 knocks when u put the car into drive and apply gas

so hopefully they fix this shit, it is a new car and i should not be having any problems. i took it there a few months ago and the tech told me that its still a new car, it was making that sound because of the weather, well guess what, it has been steady 70-80 degrees where i live for the past month and i hear the sound every morning when i start the car. he pretty much bullshitted me about how i have a "great" warranty and that they love to do warranty work, and how my car was too new to find anything and that it did not give them any codes...

so i will hear from them tomorrow and see what they say, ill keep u guys posted
 
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#13 ·
yea man !!!!! ok when i would drive it would sound like my whole back window was rattling, buzzing sound...my friends were in the back of my car one day and i cant obviously pinpoint what it is if i am driving, and they said it was definitely the window.....

really annoying sound, i would hear it every day.....so the dealer said there is a TSB out for our cars 09 corolla that there are some tabs/clips ? that they removed or something causing that rattling noise

i have not gotten my car back yet, im hoping i get it tommorrow but yea, they said there was a TSB out for rattling/buzzing sound coming from the back window, and they fixed it, id asked them about it !!!
 
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#15 ·
nope. when i explained it to them, they knew exactly what i was talking about surprisingly.

they said other people have been complaining about the same thing and that there was a TSB out for it and they said they knew what it was..
 
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#16 ·
Hey there. This sounds similar to what I had and another thread was talking about it. I was getting a chirp on first morning startups in cold or damp weather. At my last oil change they said it was the serpentine belt and dressed it. They said the belt was a little dry. On my work order it says if belt still squeaks they will replace belt next time. I don't get the chirp anymore. Maybe you should tell them to check your belt, as it might be as simple as that.
 
#18 ·
well guys i got my car back today, they did NOTHING about the chirp sound

they said they attempted to start the car all day and could not hear the sound

they told me to come pick up the car and toyota corp. or some shit knows about the issue and there is a notation that i have a problem with my car and they will look further into it

they told me if it keeps happening to make another appointment

this is ridiculous

i HATE TOYOTA. TOYOTA CARS BLOW . they get worse and WORSE every year.
 
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#19 ·
well guys i got my car back today, they did NOTHING about the chirp sound

they said they attempted to start the car all day and could not hear the sound

they told me to come pick up the car and toyota corp. or some shit knows about the issue and there is a notation that i have a problem with my car and they will look further into it

they told me if it keeps happening to make another appointment

this is ridiculous

i HATE TOYOTA. TOYOTA CARS BLOW . they get worse and WORSE every year.
I had a Fiero GT that would stall every time you came to a stop for the first 5 minutes of driving and then would run flawlessly. I had it in FIFTEEN times and they never could fix it. I finally gave in and traded it in to them. EVERYBODY BLOWS.

Look at it this way.... Tell them you want a copy of the notation they made. drive the crap out of it. If it breaks, it's their problem.PERIOD.
 
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#20 ·
yea ur right. im am gonna beat the shit out of it and if it breaks i am getting a new car. i buy a 19k car and its already been to the toyota dealer 3 times, its an absolute joke. its like they know what the problem is, they wont fix it until i complain about it and bring my car there again and again and again

Toyota is seriously a joke.
 
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#22 ·
You have an intermittent problem. How is the dealer supposed to fix it if he can't reproduce the problem?

I understand your frustation but saying Toyota is a joke and "beating the shit" out of your car sounds kind of juvenile to me.

One other thing if a belt needs dressed, it needs replaced. If you had commmunicated better with your dealer they probably would have replaced the belt to appease you.
 
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#21 ·
Perhaps you should try a different dealer? maybe one that is willing to fix it, or at least listen to you.... you could also do a video of the noise (i've heard this works if you send it to toyota head office as I believe someone on here did so and caught someone's attention). Maybe a video will tell the dealer you aren't crazy in the head when you say your car makes a chirping noise. Mines done this once and it was a REALLY cold morning in March, so I never thought anything of it, probably just doesn't like Canada LOL and I personally don't blame it!
 
#23 ·
first of all me saying i want to "beat the shit" of my car is not juvenile, it was simply meaning i am gonna drive it with a kick and if it breaks, Toyota better have parts ready at the dealer or a new vehicle for me to get in and drive off with because Toyota has been making these Corollas so cheap it pisses me off. There are other online sites and forums like edmunds Toyota Corolla section for example where people post about their 09's and i read new complaints almost everyday.

The Corolla is supposed to be Toyota's backbone to the company and to me the Corolla has gotten cheaper and annoying.

next is i did communicate with my dealer very well, i told them i thought it was the belt and my car has been making the noise since i have gotten it every morning.

I think that they are dicking me around because they told me to take the car back and if i heard it again to bring it in again. Toyota was contacted and knows i have an issue with the vehicle and some "team in California" was notified and that there was no known issue of this complaint nor did they find any sort of TSB on it. but here in the beginning of the thread that person had posted a TSB for the exact problem i have.

Toyota is just jerking people around when it comes to warranty work and sooner than later it will bite them in the ass and they will not be known for their reliability anymore but just as a cheap semi-economical car that u can buy
 
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#26 ·
If your attitude at the dealer is anything like this post, I can understand why you didn't get any help. Why didn't you bring them a copy of the TSB?

I would go to a different dealer and approach it in a more civil manner, armed with the TSB.
Just sayin.
 
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#25 ·
**UPDATE**

I received my car back this past Tuesday (06/09) after repairs were completed. Since I have had my car back I am happy to report that it has yet to squeal on cold start. I will continue to listen though as my car did not make this noise until I had about 1k miles on it. Since the repair my gas mileage has shown some improvement and my car finally seems to run more smoothly as it should have. I will keep monitoring it and post any significant information.

I am happy to report that so far I am satisfied with the repair (despite having such a major service with less than 3k miles on my car). Hell, I even got the dealer to do a hand wash and detail for the inconvenience. :rockon:

To Londonguy: I personally don't recommend using belt dressing to solve any belt-related problem. If a belt is squealing it is a sign that something is not right and should be corrected. For minor squeals on old cars I can understand but if your car is within warranty this is a horrible fix from the dealer to keep you (and the belt) quiet. If you read the TSB I posted, and I presume you have the same issue, is says how they have to replace gaskets to remedy an unknown oil leak could be potentionally serious. I would reconsider your situation.
 
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#28 ·
I get a rattle for about 1 second on some start-ups but it never does it first thing in the morning. It only does it after being left to sit for a while after being driven. I wonder if it's the same thing?
 
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#30 ·
I'm having the same problem. Just bought the car used 2 weeks ago. It's a 2009 LE with 33,000 miles. It's not a chirping noise, but a grinding noise on cold starts. Here's a video of it. Is this the same noise you guys are hearing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73xNtxOn0_Y
I have heard that sound one time on my 09 S...I hope I don't hear it again
 
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#31 · (Edited)
I have one of the first cars built with a build date of 1/09. I have over 6K miles on it and have never had ANY issues with it. With such a high sales number, wouldn't there be alot more complaints? Not all dealers are equal, so stick with a good one even if you have to drive further. I feel a TSB sticky is a must. It really helps those who think their going insane, only to find out there are solutions and they are not alone. We all know a TSB is not a recall. Please sticky all the TSBs. Thank you. :thumbsup: Edit: Build date is 1/08 not 1/09
 
#35 · (Edited)
When we had our 2009 Corolla with only 7000 km on it, I recall hearing that grinding noise on startup. It lasted about 1 or 2 seconds. I take the car about 10 times a day and it would do that even if the motor was warm. It did that maybe once or twice every 10 start ups.

I got a brand new 2010 2 days ago, and I also heard that sound on start up, but just once, and I started the car about 20 times since. I barely heard the grinding on the 2010, as it was only a fraction of a second.

But since I already heard that sound on the 2009 thinking it was only that car having that problem, I found it queer to hear it again on the 2010.
 
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