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Old 12-08-2010, 11:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Canada ABS sensor broken

If one ABS sensor go out of service all the system is out . am i right!!!

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Pull the ABS fuse? I've seen some novel setups where they wire the fuse blank (pits the pins in the fuse panel to tap off of) to a toggle switch on the dash (just use one of the blanks on the dash). Seen this done to some Nissans and especially Subaru. Haven't seen this done to a Matrix or other Toyota - but hard to believe that it is much different than other cars.
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There is always someone on each car forum who thinks that they can stop better without ABS.

Unless you are a rally driver and need to powerslide around snow or gravel covered bends, you are fooling yourself if you think that you can do better without ABS.

I agree that it can be a bit intrusive at times, with the sounds and shuddering it can cause, but I wouldn't drive without it...not ever.
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Dear gumby if you take some of your time to read a bit about ABS brake you will see (even in the owner manual of your Toyota)that ABS dont make you stop faster on slippery road but it is helping the driver not to loose control and slide of the road, but for stopping in a straight line nothing is better then all wheels lock and if those ABS were so good rally driver would keep it on there car btu they dont and if you are not sure here is a quote from transport canada
Is the stopping distance shorter with ABS?

No! From early commercials, it may have looked like you could stop on a dime. That instantaneous stop is not realistic. When braking on dry or wet roads your stopping distance will be about the same as with conventional brakes.

You should allow for a longer stopping distance with ABS than for conventional brakes when driving on gravel, slush, and snow. This is because the rotating tire will stay on top of this low traction road surface covering, and effectively "float" on this boundary layer.

A non ABS braked vehicle can lock its tires and create a snow plow effect in front of the tires which helps slow the vehicle. These locked tires can often find more traction below this boundary layer.

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Old 12-10-2010, 03:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Pierre,

That's why I wrote that unless you are a rally driver you should not need to disconnect the ABS.

I am well aware that professional drivers prefer not to use ABS because they are generally more skilled drivers than you or I ever will be. There are also certain techniques you can perform better without ABS taking control.

However, in a panic situation, I would defy you to stop in a more controlled and safe manner than would be possible with ABS.

I have had ABS on my last 5 cars and I have it on my current motorcycle.
It has saved me money in preventing car accidents and it has clearly saved my life on the bike by preventing rear wheel lockup.

You might think that a switch to disable the ABS might be smart, but are you going to have time to find that switch before a panic stop when you really need ABS?

Some people may want to take their chances or be able to DRIFT their cars without ABS. I only hope they are not sharing the same roads near me at the time.

Your insurance company might also have something to say about you deliberately disabling a safety provision provided by Toyota. If nothing else convinces you, that should.

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If one ABS sensor go out of service all the system is out . am i right!!!
Depends on the ABS system, if it is a multi-channel system (most systems now) - less likely that this situation will occur, as they are able to work independently.
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Pierre,

That's why I wrote that unless you are a rally driver you should not need to disconnect the ABS.

I am well aware that professional drivers prefer not to use ABS because they are generally more skilled drivers than you or I ever will be. There are also certain techniques you can perform better without ABS taking control.

However, in a panic situation, I would defy you to stop in a more controlled and safe manner than would be possible with ABS.

I have had ABS on my last 5 cars and I have it on my current motorcycle.
It has saved me money in preventing car accidents and it has clearly saved my life on the bike by preventing rear wheel lockup.

You might think that a switch to disable the ABS might be smart, but are you going to have time to find that switch before a panic stop when you really need ABS?

Some people may want to take their chances or be able to DRIFT their cars without ABS. I only hope they are not sharing the same roads near me at the time.

Your insurance company might also have something to say about you deliberately disabling a safety provision provided by Toyota. If nothing else convinces you, that should.
The ABS quit on my old Sunfire last winter (wheel speed sensor) and I was never happier. The previous 3 winters the damn ABS would kick in and I would keep sliding, never stopping. Once the ABS went out, my car actually STOPPED for once.

I'm contemplating pulling the fuse out of my Camry. It also "floats" over the road and takes forever to stop. I'd rather go without ABS any day of the week. You shouldn't need to panic stop unless you're following way too closely to the car in front of you. And if the roads are that bad, stay home.

And I'm not some crazy-idea teenage guy who thinks he's invincible. I'm a married woman whose driven a LOT in basically any situation you can think of.

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Old 12-22-2010, 08:05 AM   #8 (permalink)
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You shouldn't need to panic stop unless you're following way too closely to the car in front of you. And if the roads are that bad, stay home.
Well, if you can control every driving situation, including other vehicles on the road, then perhaps you have some 6th sense or paranormal abilities. A "panic stop" may be required in unpredictable situations, despite your best efforts to prevent it. For that reason, I like to have ABS available.

Not everyone has the luxury of staying home in inclement weather...sometimes it can change for the worse during a trip, unless, of course you also have the ability to predict weather with 100 percent accuracy.

Keep in mind too, that you are comparing the primitive ABS technology of an old GM with a new Toyota. It may seem that you keep sliding with ABS, but did you notice that it generally was in a straight line and that you did not slide sideways out of control?

I'm not sure how bad Wisconsin winters are compared to ours in the great white north, but I wouldn't drive where I live without ABS or four Ice/Snow tires. Staying at home during bad weather is simply not an option for us.

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hi, i would like to disable my ABS. i hav a 09 corolla 5-speed and im not used to driving like this because this is my first car with ABS and i really dont like it as i almost got into an accident because of it.
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^take out the relay
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Well, if you can control every driving situation, including other vehicles on the road, then perhaps you have some 6th sense or paranormal abilities. A "panic stop" may be required in unpredictable situations, despite your best efforts to prevent it. For that reason, I like to have ABS available.

Not everyone has the luxury of staying home in inclement weather...sometimes it can change for the worse during a trip, unless, of course you also have the ability to predict weather with 100 percent accuracy.

Keep in mind too, that you are comparing the primitive ABS technology of an old GM with a new Toyota. It may seem that you keep sliding with ABS, but did you notice that it generally was in a straight line and that you did not slide sideways out of control?

I'm not sure how bad Wisconsin winters are compared to ours in the great white north, but I wouldn't drive where I live without ABS or four Ice/Snow tires. Staying at home during bad weather is simply not an option for us.

Just my 2.02 Cents Canadian
I recently picked up a 95 Mustang 5 speed manual.
It's RWD.
It didn't come with ABS.
I've been driving it a little here and there, and I find that it stops well here in Wisconsin. Just last month we got over 20 inches of snow overnight, and never had any problems stopping in the Mustang.

ABS doesn't help you when you're sliding sideways......it has nothing to do with that....

One last thing.....it may have been "primitive" GM technology, but the behaviors of both systems act the exact same way. I just don't like it, and I can control my car better without it.
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i unplugged the relay and the "BRAKE" ABS, and powersteering lights come on, if i plug it back in it all disapears. by the way, where would u wire an auxilary switch to turn the ABS on/off
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powersteering light comes on? weird.
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is there a wire u can cut an put a switch in? does anyone know which wire it is in the relay?

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i unplugged the wiring harness from the ABS module and the power steering, abs, BRAKE lights were on. i would like to know which wire it is that connects to the ABS, does anyone know??
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