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I spent 21,000 dollars 15 years ago on a Camry that had rear drum brakes. I spent over $30,000 6 years ago on a Sienna that has rear drum brakes (and noisy too). I've never had a vehicle at any price with rear discs. Not sure why I should expect rear discs on a $19,000 economy car anyway.
So? What's your point? I think the Scions are a little bit different market than the Corolla.
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Even the cheapest Honda Civic has a 5spd automatic tranny, you'll need a $22,000 Corolla 2.4L to get a 5spd auto tranny.
I thought we were talking brakes. I don't care about the auto trannies anyway. I'm getting a stick. Seems to me like if you're the sort who is worried about whether the rears are discs or drums you'd be the sort to want a stick shift, eh?
Frankly, it would suit me fine if I could get it without power assist on the brakes or the steering. That would sure get around the numb EPS.
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New Corolla = overpriced.
Well, you're welcome to your opinion. Your measures of value are obviously directed toward different things.
So? What's your point? I think the Scions are a little bit different market than the Corolla.
My point is to debunk your claim that one shouldn't expect rear disc brakes on cars that cost less than $19,000. Fact is it CAN be done.
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I thought we were talking brakes. I don't care about the auto trannies anyway. I'm getting a stick. Seems to me like if you're the sort who is worried about whether the rears are discs or drums you'd be the sort to want a stick shift, eh?
Discs have greater stopping power over drums, so I'd prefer it. For a grocery getter, I'd rather get an auto, besides their mpg are near identical to manual trannies. A manual tranny isn't gonna help a slow car go any faster.
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Well, you're welcome to your opinion.
The fact that you CAN get a car for under $19,000 with rear disc is NOT an opinion, it's a fact.
My point is to debunk your claim that one shouldn't expect rear disc brakes on cars that cost less than $19,000. Fact is it CAN be done.
I didn't claim that it COULDN'T be done. No need to debunk that. The point I was making was that there are many cars in many higher price ranges that still use the disc/drum combination. Your expection seems to be that it's time for this particular high-end feature to trickle down to every price level.
Again, I agree that it CAN be done. I don't agree that it is something that should be EXPECTED given that the ovarall number of vehicles offered with rear discs is still the minority.
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Discs have greater stopping power over drums, so I'd prefer it. For a grocery getter, I'd rather get an auto, besides their mpg are near identical to manual trannies. A manual tranny isn't gonna help a slow car go any faster.
Yes, I know discs have more stopping power. I'm sure you're aware that the contribution of the rear brakes overall (discs or drums) is small compared to the fronts. So we're talking about a really small improvement that the average driver will never notice or need.
What's your point about making a slow car go faster with a manual transmission? I thought we were talking about brakes. But anyway, overall, I'm not especially concerned about how fast it is. I want the manual transmission for longevity, maintenance, and economy purposes. And I just like driving a stick. Obviously, YMMV.
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The fact that you CAN get a car for under $19,000 with rear disc is NOT an opinion, it's a fact.
I really wasn't saying that you couldn't get a car for under $19,000 with rear discs. My comment was on your conclusion that the Corolla was overpriced. Your expectation (see above) is that most cars should have rear discs now and if they don't then they should be cheaper or are of less value to you. Fine. That's still your opinion. I don't place the same value on having rear discs and therefore don't see the Corolla as overpriced simply because that one feature is lacking. We were talking about brakes, right?
I would pick drum over disc because it lasts a lot longer. I have heard people replace the rear pads 2x before replacing the front due to EBD. The stopping power is about the same due to the rear get really small discs. The only advantage IMO is the look and perception. If a car has rear discs, it is an "upscale" vehicle IMO.
I would pick drum over disc because it lasts a lot longer. I have heard people replace the rear pads 2x before replacing the front due to EBD. The stopping power is about the same due to the rear get really small discs. The only advantage IMO is the look and perception. If a car has rear discs, it is an "upscale" vehicle IMO.
Boy, aren't you a smart one.
Look at the car below:
Guess what, they're not drums.
There IS a big difference in stopping power between discs and drums.
Why do you think disc brakes is one of the first mods in classic muscle cars?
So far I haven't seen any high tech modern cars converting from disc to drums.
Rear drums on a Corolla are perfectly acceptable to me. They're cheaper to manufacture, and when sized appropriately provide comparable stopping power to disc brakes. The only downside is an extra pound or two in weight.
Because rear drums do the job just fine. Most of the stopping is done by the fronts. Yeah rear discs will have more stopping power, that way you can lock up the rears because there isn't any weight back there and you can swap ends in a hard stop. I'm maybe exaggerating some, but rear discs are going to be mostly for looks unless you race a lot and overheat your brakes. Apparently they will give you the option of spending money for un-needed things on the xrs, but that's not really what Corollas are about, that's what Avalons are for.
Rear drums on a Corolla are perfectly acceptable to me. They're cheaper to manufacture,
That's unacceptable in the corolla's case since it's thousands more than the previous model. Since it was a high price hike, I think it would only be fair for a hike of equipment and technology as well.
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and when sized appropriately provide comparable stopping power to disc brakes.
Yeah, about the size of a hula hoop. Disc brakes are light years ahead of drum. Friction is what stops a car. Drums only have 2 tiny arse shoes, each about the size of a twinkie pushing outwards pathetically trying to stop the wheel. Discs have so much more surface area to create friction. It also has superior heat disapating properties. Hydraulic pressure can be HUNDREDS of times more powerful than a cable. Multiple pistons in disc brakes help stopping power greatly.
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The only downside is an extra pound or two in weight.
Pound or two? LOL!!! You can take the same car one with disc and the other with drums and you can have Michael Moore's fat arse in the car with the disc and I still guarantee you than the one with the drum will stop about a block later than the car with the disc.
In Canada the price of the Corolla dropped significantly since the last model. Most people in the demographic that buys Corollas don't care if it has rear discs or not.
I'd also like to point out that drums have MORE friction area than most disc brakes and what the hell are you talking about cables for? Drum brakes are hydraulic, WTF?
I'm not disagreeing with you in regards to discs being preferred, and that a vehicle costing this much could easily come equipped with discs, however Toyota chose to use that money in other areas of the car, instead of rear disc brakes.
Most people who are going to buy a boring car like the Corolla don't care about rear discs, which is why Toyota didn't see the need to spend money on a feature that won't help sell the car. They are in it to make money after all, and they seem to know how to do that, looking at their current financial situation.
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see some sportiness back in Toyota's line up, but I bought my 10th Gen because I WANTED a boring car, to get me from A to B. I've got the Supra and the AE86 for sportiness. People have all sorts of reasons for buying a particular car, and just because you don't think the 10th Gen is right for you, doesn't mean it's wrong for everyone else as well.
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