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AWD System Specifications

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#1 ·
So there is so much confusion over the type of AWD system this car has and even a bit of mis-information. Hopefully this will clear all of that up for the future and be a good referece for future questions.

First off, this is NOT a 4WD system, but an AWD system.

There is a max front:rear power split of 50:50, this is not 24/7. The system is predominantly 100:0 (aka FWD) unless particular conditions are met. This is meant to improve fuel economy.

So how do they do the power split, well, there is a electromagnetic coupler bolted to the input of the rear differential. There is an ECU that controls that coupler, depending on the amount of current that ECU sends out, you get a varying amount of torque distribution to the rear wheels. Essentially, the coupler is a wet clutch pack which allows minor slipping, depending on how tight its squeezed via the electromagnets.

The prop shaft and the rear drive shafts (and by extension the rear differential/gears) are always rotating. The coupler's job is simply to tie in engine power to the rear differential.

The entire system uses open differentials all around, meaning all power goes to the wheel with the least grip. There are no limited slip or locking differentials. Any terminology Toyota or a salesman uses referring to a locking differential is referring to the electromagnetic coupler, the rear differential is an open diff.

There is no advanced torque vectoring in the system like on advance AWD systems. There is a minor amount of control over where the torque is going by using the brakes. Basically, when a wheel slips, the ABS system will apply the brake on that single wheel, creating resistance on the slipping wheel, redirecting engine torque to wheels with grip.

So what does the Lock Differential button do on the dash? Simply, it makes the AWD ECU apply high current to the electromagnetic coupler to essentially allow max torque (50%) go to the rear wheels. It will stay this way until 25mph or the system detects damage to the drive-train could occur, in which case it could either reduce power or disengage the coupler.

So when does the rear wheels kick "on".
Well obviously, when there is slip or the lock button is pressed. But when else.
There are a few other times, one being acceleration. Under heavy acceleration from a stop, the rear wheels will kick on, however if your accelerating and turning from a stop, they won't. They will also kick on during heavy acceleration during normal driving.
 
#5 ·
Don't tell the Russians :D

Little disappointed that you can't have always on 50/50 split but I'm not going to do serious offroading and not expecting the Highlander to do well offroading. Toyota has the 4Runner for that job.
Should'a bought a 2nd gen then :D, full time 50:50 power split. No slip-n-grip shenanigans
 
#8 ·
And the wants/needs of the masses. If there are few people with the need to take their Highlander to the peak of Mount Everest, Toyota probably will not produce a vehicle capable of the climb.

Yes Sweeney only you and that guy in Russia think the Highlander should slog through a tractor pull pit. :>)
 
#9 ·
Am perfectly happy with a simple on demand AWD system, which I'll probably only need 10% of the time and even then through the worst southern Ontario winter conditions.

And besides, AWD systems are not a safety feature but a performance related one - they get you moving, but you won't stop quicker nor will it prevent you from landing on your roof - that's where vehicle stability control and traction control systems might make a difference.
 
#10 ·
As a 2nd Gen owner who has quite possibly used his Highlander in more off-road conditions than anyone on planet Earth, on one hand I agree that if someone intends to do serious, technical off-roading they better go buy themselves a true 4x4, but on the other hand if you understand the Highlander's off-road limitations you can take this vehicle very far off-road.

I've driven off-road about 35 years now, in everything from my first Suburban 4x4 to the Samurai I have today, and my experience tells me ground clearance is the most important issue. A 2WD pickup or SUV can cover 80% of off-road areas IMO as long as the tires are aired down, and the Highlander specifically can take you to 90% of off-road areas with the primary limitation of technical, uneven ground being its Achilles' heel.

What I'd like to know most about the 3rd Gen's AWD system is how it performs in sand, which according to 2nd Gen owners is probably the "off-road" condition they've needed to use it most. I worry that the 3rd Gen's AWD system may bog down in sand, as opposed to the 2nd Gen which is awesome in any sand condition. In fact, you guys may not know this since many are not up-to-date on the 2nd Gen forum, but myself and others have witnessed the 2nd Gen Highlander fly around on sand where 4x4s in high-range have bogged down because of the difference in how those two 4WD systems function in sand. Anyway, I'll be interested to hear what some of you guys experience in sand.
 
#13 ·
I'm very interested in learning more about the realistic capabilities of the AWD system on the 2014 Highlander. Specifically, would I be able to use the vehicle to move across a beach that allowed vehicles? Would it get stuck? I imagine the only other uses for us in Georgia would be light trail duty at scouting/camping events.
 
#12 ·
AWD 4wd and off roading aside, in snow, which is the primary concern for me, snow tires make much more of a difference than any system. I would never take my $37,000 vehichle through mud and sand and on rocks. I'd say buy an old 4 runner or wrangler for that! I just want to be able to get through a snow storm and this vehicle is very capable of it, snow tires or even with good all season.
 
#15 ·
Well then technically, if the information posted about the system is correct, if you hit the "lock" button (for lack of another word to call it). The system should operate exactly like the 2nd gen system with a 50/50 split and open diff's? But just don't buy Bridgestone Dueler HT's or Toyo Open Country HT's if you plan to do anything in snow, mud, or sand.
 
#17 ·
At least you don't have the Toyo Open Country skis. My 2010 came with them and so did my new 2014. They're relatively quiet and nice riding, but boy do you pay for it on snow! They flat out suck on snowy/icy roads. "Skis" is completely appropriate!
 
#20 ·
Guys I don't think this is quite accurate. Unless that "AWD control" pictogram between our guages is lying, I saw it always send power to the rears even when I very lightly start accelerating. I DID notice though, that it does indeed revert to 100% FWD (or near to 100%) once you get going to a certain speed like 30-40mph and above, and you're now coasting.

But it seems even under light load, from a start, or from very low speed, you have torque going to the rears...again, that is unless that pictogram is lying (I doubt it).
 
#25 ·
The new Dynamic Torque Control AWD system continuously monitors and controls the torque transfer between the front and rear wheels via an electromagnetically controlled coupling positioned in front of the rear differential.

Front to rear torque distribution can vary from 100:0 to 50:50, with front-wheel drive (100:0) automatically engaged under normal driving conditions to improve fuel consumption.

The Dynamic Torque Control AWD system uses information sent from various sensors (speed, steering angle and speed, throttle angle and yaw rate) to automatically govern the transmission of torque to the rear wheels, as required.
 
#28 ·
Not much help here. I got my Highlander in January, 2014 but we got mostly ice and sleet last winter. We did have a three inch snow in late February but the snow was so wet, it was just driving in slush.

I am old and retired and smart enough (hopefully) to just stay home when the bad stuff falls now.
 
#27 ·
I keep my screen on the AWD control and I would say its actually a more advanced system than the previous system. Based on incline/decline, turning angles it is changing power to the rear and front more often. And if you want the 50/50 split you can get it up to 25mph by pushing the "lock" button (for lack of a better word for it). I have driven in snow and I didn't notice any difference from my 2nd gen highlander but like I have said previously it is limited to the traction of the tires. Using the snow tires turns it into an snow beast as I have Nokians on last winteon the 2nd gen. Im going to do the same with my new Highlander next winter. I would say throw the Pirellie Scorpion AT or General Grabber AT2 or Toyo Open Country AT/Nitto Terra Grapplers on if you are going to do any serious offroading and you'll probably do more than fine. they make them in 255/55/18 or 255/60/18 and both will be less than a 2% change in radius so you'll be fine. Being wider than the OEM it will likely be better handling on the road and in sand but maybe slightly less in snow
 
#29 ·
There's a lot of talk here about AWD, comparing Gens, tires, etc but the most important is you. Of the tools we can provide ourselves, good tires for the job be it terrain, snow, performance, etc, or advancement vehicle capabilities nothing beats investment of practice and knowing the common sense of driving. AWD drive can also be AWD slide. Know your vehicle limits, equip you car properly for the condition, plan ahead, and keep in mind all those experience and knowledge you built up over the years. And learn and continue to learn.

This is my first 'reactive' AWD vehicle and I'm still learning its capabilities. In addition, this is the biggest AWD vehicle I have own. Yes, the 50/50 lock option is a peace of mind but I know ultimately snow tires are what would be optimal for winter driving conditions. My FWD Camry on Blizzacks trumps my Subaru on all seasons any winter. I've driven mountain roads during many winters for love of the snow sports since I was 18 and that is an invaluable experience. The thing now I must keep in mind and learn is the weight of this vehicle as weight can be a blessing or a curse so vehicle control must be kept in check.

I'm a cheapo so my center dash screen is mostly on eco to conserve fuel. Also, I don't want another speeding ticket. :) Though I notice the AWD control screen does display sending power to rear in cornering under constant and acceleration in addition to acceleration from a start or heavy load. I understand that the Gen 3 Highlander does have a yaw rate sensor.
 
#33 ·
Darn, was really hoping to see some info in this thread on driving in sand. I get my highlander will not be an offroad car, but the wife and I were thinking of heading to some DE beaches over the next month and wanted to drive on the sand.

Anyone tested their 2014 on the sand yet? I wouldnt at all consider myself an experienced enough off road driver to be the test case.

Oh, first post, picked up my 2014 Platinum yesterday! :)
 
#34 ·
Darn, was really hoping to see some info in this thread on driving in sand. I get my highlander will not be an offroad car, but the wife and I were thinking of heading to some DE beaches over the next month and wanted to drive on the sand.

Anyone tested their 2014 on the sand yet? I wouldnt at all consider myself an experienced enough off road driver to be the test case.
I've been waiting for a definitive report or two regarding how the Gen 3's AWD system performs in sand compared to the outstanding performance of the Gen 2's system. Hopefully for you guys it will be the same or near the same. Anyway, anyone out there with sand experience please share.
 
#41 ·
It will be interesting to see how the HL works for us this winter. The last two Outbacks of ours (2009 & 2012) had outstanding AWD capability, only got stck when the show was too deep and we high-centered. That's one of the reasons we looked for something else that had more height like the HL.

And I agree with the ealier statements: tires and drivers make all the difference! Most people where I live park the 4x4 trucks when it snows heavy and then pull out the little front-wheel car with the studded tires instead. Some of the best driving I have done in snowy conditions has been with a rear-wheel drive car with snow tires on it (growing up in Wisconsin).

Our FJ is a beast in the show with all the traction options on it, including limited slip diffs and rear lockers. Having the big tires and a lift helps, too(!)
 
#42 ·
3rd gen isn't slip grip. the rear wheels get power quite often, on a regular basis...just not 50/50 unless you hit the lock button. I think I posted earlier about acceleration and yaw rate and what I have found is at slower speeds and on hills the rear wheels seem to get up to 40% of the power. (by looking at my AWD display) This happens all the time on dry pavement and has nothing to do with slipping. It will slip grip the same as the 2nd generation as it has open differentials.
 
#44 ·
Yup, power goes to the rears ALL the time with the 3rd gen system, in the dry. I don't mean that literally, by use of the word "ALL". I just mean that it's the majority of the time, almost constantly with the exception of gentle throttle application at highway speeds or at cruise. I have a video on my iPhone doing a max accel test from 20 to 65mph and the AWD display shows the rears getting tons of torque in the first half of that speed (like from 20-40) but then it tapers off, but never goes to FWD, until I get off the gas.
 
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