Recalls lower overall, but Toyota's higher

[Cyorke]

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...512020337/1148

[drunken_panda]

"We're fallible," said Dennis Cuneo, senior vice president of Toyota Motor North America. "We take those opportunities to try to find the root causes, get to it and fix it."

"Although it appears that Toyota has had more recalls, this is attributable to the sheer number of Toyota vehicles on the road."

At least Toyota is admitting the problem, unlike some other companies who try to cover it up.

[Cyorke]

One other thing to rememebr is the majority of the domestic recalls lately have been for 5 year old cars or less. Where Toyota is reclling cars taht are 10 years old or so. Obviously the problem is not that bad if it has taken that long for problems to show up. I ouwl much rather have a reall on a ten year old car than a 2 year old car. Manufacturing processes should have gotten better as time passed.

[Bakemono]

Why am I not surprised that Det news did an article like that? Its funny how they bash bash bash and then do a complete 180 and say its because of the sheer number of Toyotas on the road.
More vehicles = greater likelyhood of defects. It doesnt take a whole lotta brains to figure that one out.

[Cyorke]

Originally Posted by Captain_Toyota

Why am I not surprised that Det news did an article like that? Its funny how they bash bash bash and then do a complete 180 and say its because of the sheer number of Toyotas on the road.
More vehicles = greater likelyhood of defects. It doesnt take a whole lotta brains to figure that one out.

Well I felt the same way about he Firestone tires on Ford Explorers. I dont know whos fault it was and now that it is over with I dont geuss it really amtters. I am sad taht people had to die, but when you ahve the number one selling SUV int he country and each one of them has four Firestone tires the likelihood of problems is going to be greatly increased. I would like to know if they have had any problems with the rollover situation since all of the tires have been replaced, or at least should have been replaced.

[84Cressida]

Originally Posted by Cyorke

Well I felt the same way about he Firestone tires on Ford Explorers. I dont know whos fault it was and now that it is over with I dont geuss it really amtters. I am sad taht people had to die, but when you ahve the number one selling SUV int he country and each one of them has four Firestone tires the likelihood of problems is going to be greatly increased. I would like to know if they have had any problems with the rollover situation since all of the tires have been replaced, or at least should have been replaced.

Both Ford & Firestone were at fault. Ford for making such a POS SUV that you could roll just by flicking it, and Firestone for making tires in an old outdated factory with defective rubber.

[drunken_panda]

I think it more of Ford's fault. They knew in the 80s that the roofs werent strong enough, but didnt do anything about it. They tried to cover it up for a long time and finally admitted that they were also at fault.

[Bakemono]

We're getting a little off-topic here, but heres my take on the Firestone thing.
Any 4x4 vehicle is prone to rollovers, thats just the nature of the beast. If you notice, all of the tire blowouts happened in southern states. I think that at least PART of it was people who left their tires underinflated. Underinflated tires run hot, and thats what can cause delamination of tires. Semis have that happen to their tires all the time, yet you dont see them sueing tire companies. Of course, no one is going to admit that they were negigent, but thats what I think.
My family has owned Fords since the '70s and Ford makes quality vehicles that last a long time with proper maintenance. By no means is Ford perfect, but they arent as bad as some people would like to think. No automaker is. Remember Toyota with the 3.0L V6 that the trucks and 4Runners used that Toyota KNEW would have blown headgaskets every 75,000 miles, yet Toyota sent those vehicles out like that. Like I said, none of them are perfect.

[RiZLA]

i remember i was watching something about those weak roofs on tv, they were saying that it would cost about $50-$60 extra per suv to fortify the roofs.

[84Cressida]

The roof thing was a whole other issue. The problem is not SUV's in general, it's the Explorer's design flaw. Look at the previous gen 4Runner's tires, and then look at the old Explorer's. You can clearly see that the Explorer's tires are dinking, and don't give much stability in keeping the vehicle right-side-up.

[Bakemono]

Cress, those 2 pics arent even from the same angle...

[epinionator89]

Here's a better picture (sorry if it's not exactly perfect, or if it's too big. My WebTV can't show me the size of the image.)



I'm going to read the recall article now.