I'm afraid the only one's you will find a VERY CONCEALED photos of the new ES. I've found some spy shots and unlike the 07 Camry in which you could kinda make out the car and get some idea of what it would look like, Lexus has covered the new ES up to such an advanced extent that its virtually impossible to tell what i'll look like. Its funny how Toyota didn't really care about concealing the new Camry but they are being SUPER secretive with the new ES. I did however find out that the new ES will now have a panoramic glass moonroof as an option. That seems kewl.
Actually, you can see that pano-roof option in the spy pics!
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I would if the 07 Avalon will get the six speed auto tranny and ground effects package on the Touring edition
I analyzed the gearing between the two cars and the biggest difference is 3rd. With the 6AT it's optimized for 1/4 mile acceleration and has you right at the top of 3rd as you cross the line whereas 3rd in the 5AT is a big longer.
In CarTest simulations, 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph passing are both actually faster in the Avalon with the 5AT than with 6AT. The 6AT only really helps in 70-90 mph passing due to 3rd being a lot shorter than normal. Otherwise about the same. 3rd is short enough that an Avalon would be about a tenth quicker and 1 mph faster in the 1/4 mile with the 6AT though.
If I end up buying an Avalon with a 5AT and they put the 6AT in it the next year I seriously would not care. Or if I buy a closeout 2006 and I know the '07s on the lot have 6ATs I probably wouldn't care either if I could get a good deal on the '06. 5 gears in a big torquey engine is plenty. 6 is getting to be overkill, and 7 and 8 are just bragging rights AFAIC. 6, 7, and 8 spd trannys woudl be useful on the autobahn where you can drive at high speed (once in awhile when there's no traffic, been there done that) and need to keep the engine near peak horsepower. In North America with 55-75 mph speed limits though it's pretty useless.
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So what does a 6AT tranny really do for us in the Camry?
More gears means the engine is able to stay in the optimum gearing for power (under normal operation) or fuel mileage. This is why CVT vehicles are able to achieve better mileage.
Under aggressive acceleration, I believe there is no advantage since you'd be holding lower gears through the RPM range.
I analyzed the gearing between the two cars and the biggest difference is 3rd. With the 6AT it's optimized for 1/4 mile acceleration and has you right at the top of 3rd as you cross the line whereas 3rd in the 5AT is a big longer.
In CarTest simulations, 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph passing are both actually faster in the Avalon with the 5AT than with 6AT. The 6AT only really helps in 70-90 mph passing due to 3rd being a lot shorter than normal. Otherwise about the same. 3rd is short enough that an Avalon would be about a tenth quicker and 1 mph faster in the 1/4 mile with the 6AT though.
If I end up buying an Avalon with a 5AT and they put the 6AT in it the next year I seriously would not care. Or if I buy a closeout 2006 and I know the '07s on the lot have 6ATs I probably wouldn't care either if I could get a good deal on the '06. 5 gears in a big torquey engine is plenty. 6 is getting to be overkill, and 7 and 8 are just bragging rights AFAIC. 6, 7, and 8 spd trannys woudl be useful on the autobahn where you can drive at high speed (once in awhile when there's no traffic, been there done that) and need to keep the engine near peak horsepower. In North America with 55-75 mph speed limits though it's pretty useless.
I was looking at the gearing ratio too, but I see you gave an nice explaination here. If I was to by FWD, I still pick the Avalon.
I wonder what kind of body kits the aftermarket will have for it. If we get the new camry, that's one of the things we'll have done to it.
Any news on a supercharger? I remember something a while back saying that TRD is supposed to have a s/c for the Avalon/Camry. Any more news on that?
Hello everyone.. some excellent discussion here. For me.. it's a odd choice. Either this 6th gen Camry, or an 07 Camaro.. Prolly going to go w/the "reliable" choice and go for the camry.. but the Camaro does look nice... humm..
Back to the discussion at hand.. Does anyone know what the 18" TRD wheels will look like??
Does anyone know if there will be TRD parts the first year for the SE.... It would be nice to see a lower profile on the Camry. I would definitely get one. But I am sort of afraid of the problems I might buy with the car since it is new. Not only that, I am worried, what if they offer VSC as standard for the higher models. I would not get that deal. But if anyone knows about the TRD, that would be nice.
I saw the red 2007 Camry in the flesh today. I'm not a big fan of red cars - they have to have the right curves and edges. But this red Camry wa sharp!! There will be people at Honda quaking in their littke Accord booties very soon.
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