Hey Toyota fanboys I'm new to this forum. And while reading this post i have to say that I love it... how everyone is saying "Detroit is going down", when all they're benchmarking this new Tundra against is a soon to be replaced line of GM trucks, and Fords 2 year old truck, and Dodges almost 3 year old truck. I expected better out of Toyota, they basically put a toyota face on a truck using the tried and true formula that Detroit used in its current generations. You wait until GM's duo comes rolling in this Fall, the Tundra will be outclassed in not only interior, but exterior appeal, and performace. Too bad Toyota can't say they put out the first hybrid truck. GM has that one now. Haha, keep drinking ur toyota koolaid.. Detroit is on the offensive.
Toyota equals stylistically bland, manipulative, and uninspired. All they want is more money in their pockets. And you are all the product of their manipulation.
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It really doesn't matter if Toyota really conquers the segment. All Toyota has to do its garner 200k or so sales from the segment. It is not about domination, it is about well-rounded market segment penetration. Sure the Big 3 has the truck market cornered, but is it really doing them any good? Toyota is a very patient company. They aren't looking to sella million trucks, they can't even if the market demands it. If each model sells around 150k units a year, wouldn't you say this is a very successful and rich company? Please don't forget to look a tthe big picture.
"GM earns 16 quality and dependability awards, more long term dependability awards than any other manufacturer"
"A GM-record 30 models among the top three in segment."
"Highest plant quality in North/South America for the fourth consecutive year"
2005 Initial Quality Ranking
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BMW
Buick
Cadillac
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Ok lets look at the facts.. on each of the above J.D. Power rankings, Toyota as a brand is no where to be found. Lexus is there, it is a good brand and deserves it. But look at that, there are 2 GM brands in each of them. Maybe TMC is still on top, but domestics have come a LONG way, all you need to lay off. I think you need to check your facts before you post something as uninformed as that crap you call a post.
Boxy? Trucks are suppose to be boxy. The F-150 is a very nice looking truck, by far better looking than the Tundra, and it sales numbers will show it. In my oppinion, the Tundra is trying to hard to look tough. I would rather see something a little cleaner, less, chunky. That grill is just ugly. But hey I'm the guy who likes the Camaro concept, why listen to me.
The Camaro is on for 2008. I don't think GM is as stupid as you think. They would have to be totally deaf not to hear the overwhelming support for Camaro production.
I seem to attract some really uniformed people.
Anyone noticed these are all Near Luxury/Luxury makes? They are suppose to be ranked up there. Where is Toyota ranked relative to the other GM brands like Pontiac, Chevy and Saturn or whatever else brands they have? I didn't bother to do the research because everyone one has their ups and downs. It is when a company is down more often than up that you have doubts about them. When Toyota consistently gets ranked at or below average, I will gladly admit they have tanked.
What the hell are you talking about? The T-100 & current Tundra are competitive, reliable, and sold workhorses. Toyota doesn't give a shit about some lame title, because the F-150 has terrible 4WD reliability problems, and the Silverado has an interior that makes Kia look good. The big 3 trucks were NO better than their cars. I can't tell you how many GM trucks I see literally falling apart.
The Nissan Titan doesn't sell because it doesn't give you many choices & it's quality is crap.
The T-100 was competitive with the Ranger and S-10, maybe...but not the F-150, Ram, and Silverado. It had a 150-hp engine when it first rolled out! And a 4-cylinder! The best that truck ever put out was 190 hp / 225 lb ft out of the 3.4L V6.
The Tundra did better, but it was still too small. This isn't just my opinion...check out any Motor Trend or Car & Driver comparison from the last 4 years. I don't recall it ever finishing first or second, and the number one complaint was that it was a 9/10ths truck.
A new era is dawning for GM and Ford...you can keep denying their improved quality, but they have made leaps and bounds in the last few years. JD Power is recognizing it, auto magazines are recognizing it, and the open-minded American public is starting to recognize it.
By the way, spys of the new GMC Sierra and Chevy Silverado...like I said, GM and Ford will not stand by idly, especially in the full-size truck market.
Why are all my posts deleted. All im saying is that my fords are lasting fo ever with no problems!
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About your Reliability shit, My dads truck has 165,000 Kms. Its a 2001 Ford F150 4x4. Basic oil changes and thats it. Not 1 problem ever. Not a squeak or rattle. My old 1989 Bronco had 285,000 Kms and Only needed a alternator at 250,000. Other than that, seamless. It was beaten to hell to.
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from what your posting i think the moderators are doing their job .. actually they should throw you out permanent for being a pecker.
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on the new tundra I'm holding back till i see it in person... i like the size of my access cab
and when i shopped for a truck i looked at the silverado but everybody had one of these same for the fords and they looked better than the silverado.. after checking out the tundra,
i found it to be the perfect size not full size but bigger than a Tacoma everything was just right the fit and finish was fantastic compared to the other even ford, thats one of the reasons ford redesigned the f150 and their interior is the best looking right now, thats why
Toyota copied it to a degree on the 2007 they should have copied more of it.
the 2007 is big and to me thats a low point for my needs my tundra is 4 1/2 years old and paid for hardly used and has 26k on the odometer, so if i sell I'm really going to shop.
so far the new tundra looks like it, but it will most likely be the reg cab with the bigger 5.7 depending on the hp rating and a sports package. i think it will look dam nice. http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photo...ry.php/cat/876
It really doesn't matter if Toyota really conquers the segment. All Toyota has to do its garner 200k or so sales from the segment. It is not about domination, it is about well-rounded market segment penetration. Sure the Big 3 has the truck market cornered, but is it really doing them any good? Toyota is a very patient company. They aren't looking to sella million trucks, they can't even if the market demands it. If each model sells around 150k units a year, wouldn't you say this is a very successful and rich company? Please don't forget to look a tthe big picture.
personally i dont see a point in toyotas rush to "dominate" the truck segment, wouldnt that put a dent in its reputation? wouldnt they be branded as hypocritical? selling priuses at one end and huge monstrosities at the other?
The funny part is that even though Toyota sells less trucks than GM & Ford, they make more profit on them than either.
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1994 Toyota Pickup Xtra cab 4x2 22R-E 44,000 mi
1998 Toyota Avalon 1MZ-FE 137,000 mi
2005 Chevrolet Silverado Crew Cab 49,000 mi
2006 BMW 330i Sedan 85,000 mi
2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid 2AZ-FXE 62,000 mi
The funny part is that even though Toyota sells less trucks than GM & Ford, they make more profit on them than either.
Indeed they do. GM actually took a distributed loss of $2,331 on every vehicle sold in 2005 (total loss of 11.32 billion), and I would assume that they lost more on the trucks than on smaller cars.
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1982 Corolla Wagon, 1989 Corolla DX, 1991 Previa LE, 1993 Previa LE,
1993 Pickup, 1994 Corolla DX, 1995 Avalon XL, 1996 Camry XLE, 1998 Avalon XL,
1998 Sienna CE, 1999 Camry XL, 2000 Camry XLE, 2002 Tundra, 2003 Tundra,
2003 ES 300, 2004 Camry XLE, 2005 Tacoma
It's because of fleet sales, rebates, and nationwide sales give aways.
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1998 Toyota Avalon 1MZ-FE 137,000 mi
2005 Chevrolet Silverado Crew Cab 49,000 mi
2006 BMW 330i Sedan 85,000 mi
2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid 2AZ-FXE 62,000 mi
Why are all my posts deleted. All im saying is that my fords are lasting fo ever with no problems!
why even bother to come here and post if all you want to do is bash Toyotas, and by the way My family used to buy nothing but fords the longest lasting on we had was an 81 Mustang which died at 11 yrs old and my dad sold it to a junk yard for $60. The worst of the fords we had had to be the 95 Windstar, it had to get a new egnine put in when it was 5 yrs old and only like 50,000 mi on it, the van always had something wrong with it, we got rid of it in 04 wne the engine light came on again and got a Sienna. Now we alos had a 88 camry which we had until 04 when it got stolen, never had any engine problems it was a great car, it out lasted out 95 windstar and out 88 escort. To me Toyota is clearly the better product.
i think GM and Ford lovers should be welcome to come here and post whatever they want as long as it is sensible, free of profanites and factual.
as long as a toyota lover is allowed to say GM sucks or Ford sucks on this forum, a dmoestic admirer should be allowed to say Toyota sucks!
(in my opinion such posts, whether anti Ford,GM or Toyota, all by themselves, without any other, relevant content should be deleted in any case, not merely because it is anti toyota!
Ford and GM admirers should be made to feel as welcome as everyone else!
why even bother to come here and post if all you want to do is bash Toyotas, and by the way My family used to buy nothing but fords the longest lasting on we had was an 81 Mustang which died at 11 yrs old and my dad sold it to a junk yard for $60. The worst of the fords we had had to be the 95 Windstar, it had to get a new egnine put in when it was 5 yrs old and only like 50,000 mi on it, the van always had something wrong with it, we got rid of it in 04 wne the engine light came on again and got a Sienna. Now we alos had a 88 camry which we had until 04 when it got stolen, never had any engine problems it was a great car, it out lasted out 95 windstar and out 88 escort. To me Toyota is clearly the better product.
Once again, someone thinking that Bill Ford-era Fords are the same as Nasser-era Fords. We had a '96 Windstar and yes, it was unreliable and cheap. BUT, 2000+ Windstars have proven to be much more reliable and the problem-prone 3.8L V6 that formerly powered the Windstar is now gone.
The NEW Fords such as the Five Hundred and Fusion came about under a completely different leadership...yet so many on this board lump them in with the Fords of old. The Focus had some first year issues, but the bugs have been worked out and now it is among the most reliable compact cars. The Five Hundred is ranked in number three for initial quality in full-size cars behind the Grand Marquis and LeSabre...no Avalon on that list.
The 2004 Explorer that my mom drives has not had one problem yet. The 4.0L V6 is strong and smooth, and there are no rattles or squeaks on the interior. My Grandpa's 2005 Grand Marquis is the same way...solidly built. Both have had millions invested into new interiors with higher-quality dash plastics and more precise fits.
So, the moral of the story...Ford has come a long way since Bill Ford took over the helm in 2002.
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