I know it has been discussed here quite a bit but I jsut fond this article. Toyota and Honda got hit the hardest and some of hte American manufaturers actually got a bump where they had understated their HP ratings. Like the article says there was a lot of wiggle room so I dont know that it was an all out lie or anything like hat jsut trying to get as much as you can out of what you ahve to work with.
Like the articel says though I dont know that many people buy a Toyota for HP ratings.
Those kinds ofthings dont really bother me ayway. I buy it for how it drives and handles, fuel economy and so on and so on. Obviously it is nice to say I have 210 HP instead of 190 but it still accelerates and does everythingthe same. Also if you notice these are 2005 models it looks like. It does not affect the new 07 model which is being tested under the new standards. IT will still be rated at 268 HP.
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It's detnews.... lol. The thing is, even with less hp on paper, that doesn't mean the car is any slower. If a 190hp Camry does 0-60 in 8 sec, then that's pretty darn good for a 190hp car with 1500kg to haul around. Besides, Toyota and Honda are retesting all their engines. The domestics aren't. They'll only retest a select few. Car buying the next few years is gonna be confusing. Honda is kind enough in their Canadian brochure to specify that their hp rating is under the new SAE standard. Toyota doesn't say that.
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It's detnews.... lol. The thing is, even with less hp on paper, that doesn't mean the car is any slower. If a 190hp Camry does 0-60 in 8 sec, then that's pretty darn good for a 190hp car with 1500kg to haul around. Besides, Toyota and Honda are retesting all their engines. The domestics aren't. They'll only retest a select few. Car buying the next few years is gonna be confusing. Honda is kind enough in their Canadian brochure to specify that their hp rating is under the new SAE standard. Toyota doesn't say that.
yeah I have even seen on some Nissan ads they have a disclaimer that states the HP has decreased but there is not a change in performance. They were touting the Maxima at 265 Hp and now it is something like 255 or so. Not sure of the exact numbers.
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It's just to eliminate that "Regular fuel may be used with reduced performance." At least now owners know exactly how much. The 2004-2005 TSX for example.. dyno'd at 179hp when the brochure said 200hp and it's on premium.. i wonder how much if they dyno'd using regular fuel lol.
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I wonder if someone can fill me in about these SAE Standards. Yes I know what they are. I understand that an engine will produce its maximum on premium gas at least those that need it (i.e. Luxury or high end cars generally) so if they test the engine on regular obviously the hp won't be as high. The question is about the Scion ratings, I know they have been hit for 06, but they (the engine) are the same as my ECHO, they only require regular gas, so why is the rating lower? Does this mean Toyota tests all there cars with premium gas? Or is there something more, like other factors into the horsepower equation? Or it a more accurate measurement of power that goes to the wheels? So does this mean if a model was built before the new standard and is still around after (exact model, name, engine etc.), yet got hit with lower numbers, does this mean the previous model years of the exact same car are the same (as the new standard) just not claimed in those years? If that makes sense? Meaning is my 03 ECHO really rated at 103bhp and 101ft tourque like the Scion models eventhough at the time of production and promotion its apparently 108bhp and 105 ft tourque? Thanks for any clarification, hope this makes sense!
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SOme of it has to do with the gas that they run through the engine while the test is being done. From what I can gather they list HP ratings according the the premium fuel. However if the car does not require premium then they can not list tht Hp rating. SO if a car running premium produces 200 Hp and the same engine running regualr produces 195 they have to lsit the 195.
However it also has to do with what accessories are being run at the time the test is done also. I think now they are required to run certai naccesseroies whereas before they were not required to. Like PS and alternator and things like that that can cause a drag on the engine.
this is what I have come to gather anyway.
As for the HP rating of your car it all depends on how you want to looka t it. If you go by the old way of testing hten yes you have 103 but if it were to be tested using the new standards then it could be but not absolutely be lower. In some cases as with the Domestic manufacturers it has actually gone up in some instances.
It is not really a matter of lying inteh past it was more or less bending the rules.
also the Hp rating that we get from manufacturers are at the flywheel. SO if you were to get your car tested ona Dyno it wouldprobably be anywhere from 10--20% lower than what the HP rating is according to any SAE testing. HTis is due to the loss you get through the drivertrain.
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No need of a discussion here................... It is DETROIT NEWS.......
Don't dismiss this because of the location of the newspaper....in fact, many people in Detroit have cancelled their subscriptions to the Detroit News for their backhanded jabs at the Big 3, especially GM. Go to their Auto Talk forum...the people in there would make plenty a Toyota fanboy proud.
By the way, this article is nothing earth-shattering. News that the Japanese HP ratings were overstated in many cases came out 6 months ago, soon after the new standard debuted. So it isn't like there's any "bias" here anyway.
thats retarded. Yes it's news but its old news. Toyota is one of the first auto manufacturures to actually comply with the new rating right away( i think gm is the other), and take a hit(even tho the actual power doesnt change) Inifinti isn't re-rating the g35 until the the redesign the car and im not sure if they've done it with any cars yet. At least toyota's stepping up across the board and complying right away. We're looking at 07 cars now though....they adjusted the ratings back on the 06's. Why complain now after theyve done something.
for some people these numbers doesnt mean anything. its the curve that counts
well in all technicality, the entire curve is effected...but at the same time, performance doesnt change b/c everything is installed on the car when you drive it anyway....so its really just splitting hairs and people complaining about it.
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