Ahhh sounds more like an article where only some facts were used to substantiate the arguement. Thanksfully it's just an article of conjecture.
Yes Toyota delayed the Corolla. I'm not surprised. It would be stupid to launch all your passenger cars in the same year. They picked the best method. Launch the smallest (Yaris) and largest (Camry) passenger cars in one year...followed by the middle-ground car (Corolla) a year later. Since everyone likes whatever's new and exciting, this ensures that the excitement and demand for Toyota cars stays strong for more than just one year. Besides, Corolla sales have been strong. If it ain't broke, why fix it? That just shows the popularilty of this Corolla model.
As for the quality issues...I wonder how many of those recalls were for 8 year old vehicles not under warranty? Or minor vs catastrophic issues? Seems there were lots of recalls that no one really could understand why Toyota would waste the $$ or time to investigate (except for the possible "CYA" legal issue and impact to public opinion - Ford Style). The recall #'s might be higher now, but I think this has more to do with doing the "right" thing than anything else.
^Exactly. Toyota is willing to stand behind their products and fix potential problems before they become major issues.
The fact that a lot of these recalls are on older models shows you that Toyota's quality is NOT falling.
Nice try though, DavinP, better luck next time...
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What a bogus article. Who paid him to write that crap?
As for the new Tundra, big trucks sell in the US and ALWAYS will sell. IMO, toyota is going to have the Most powerful, reliable fullsize pickup with the best towing, as well as the most fuel effiecient. it's going to take a serious bite out of the F-150
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What a bogus article. Who paid him to write that crap?
As for the new Tundra, big trucks sell in the US and ALWAYS will sell. IMO, toyota is going to have the Most powerful, reliable fullsize pickup with the best towing, as well as the most fuel effiecient. it's going to take a serious bite out of the F-150
I don't know about best towing and most powerful. They've been real conservative, even their truck series. So far, I'm seeing the Nissan TITAN being an excellent competitor against domestic commecial pickups. The Tundra and Tacoma, nice trucks, but not enough beef for me. Not even the TRD models. And I've had a Tacoma before.
As for the new Tundra, big trucks sell in the US and ALWAYS will sell. IMO, toyota is going to have the Most powerful, reliable fullsize pickup with the best towing, as well as the most fuel effiecient. it's going to take a serious bite out of the F-150
That was a pretty crappy article indeed. The Tundra might be the most reliable, as for fuel efficacy we'll see. But for power and towing the domestics got some pretty strong diesels, but the Tundra should take some 3/4 ton sales from all competitors.
Um, the article says that Toyota has the "thirstiest truck lineup"....
Um, Tacomas get better gas mileage than Rangers, Colorados, and Frontiers....
And the 2006 Tundra gets better gas mileage than F150s and Titans, and is only slightly lower than Silverados. (Silverados get 1mpg more on the highway)
Source: Edmunds, comparing largest 6 cyl, 4x4, 4dr compact pickups (chevy has 5cyl), (Ranger doesn't offer a crew cab)
Um, the article says that Toyota has the "thirstiest truck lineup"....
Um, Tacomas get better gas mileage than Rangers, Colorados, and Frontiers....
And the 2006 Tundra gets better gas mileage than F150s and Titans, and is only slightly lower than Silverados. (Silverados get 1mpg more on the highway)
Source: Edmunds, comparing largest 6 cyl, 4x4, 4dr compact pickups (chevy has 5cyl), (Ranger doesn't offer a crew cab)
Full size pickup EPAs: 4x4, V8, crew cabs.
Exactly... !!!!!
My Sequoia gives better mileage than the TAHOE. How big is the TAHOE engine? Mine is a 4.7L.
Exactly... !!!!!
My Sequoia gives better mileage than the TAHOE. How big is the TAHOE engine? Mine is a 4.7L.
The Tahoe has either a 4.8L or 5.3L engine. The 4.8L hasn't been rated by the EPA. The 5.3 is rated 16 mpg city/22 mpg highway. (15/20 for the 4x4) If the engine is E-85 compatible, then the ratings fall to 16/21 for the 4x2 and go up to 15/21 for the 4x4. If the engine is actually running on E85, then the ratings fall further to 12/16 for the 4x2 and 11/15 for the 4x4.
Um, the article says that Toyota has the "thirstiest truck lineup"....
Um, Tacomas get better gas mileage than Rangers, Colorados, and Frontiers....
And the 2006 Tundra gets better gas mileage than F150s and Titans, and is only slightly lower than Silverados. (Silverados get 1mpg more on the highway)
Source: Edmunds, comparing largest 6 cyl, 4x4, 4dr compact pickups (chevy has 5cyl), (Ranger doesn't offer a crew cab)
Full size pickup EPAs: 4x4, V8, crew cabs.
2006 Ford Expedition (5.4L 2WD) 14/19 (beats the Sequoia in highway mileage [15/18])
2006 Ford F-150...same mileage out of the 5.4L
Ford's Expedition/F-150 5.4L make 300 hp / 365 lb ft of torque. Toyota's 4.7L makes 271 hp / 313 lb ft. of torque...while getting only 1 MPG better city. I don't think calling Toyota's truck / SUV lineup "thirsty" is too far off-base. Ford and GM both beat them in V8 engine efficiency, and don't forget that the F-150 weighs more than the Tundra, yet still pretty much matches the mileage.
Id like to see a Tahoe that gets 20 mpg on the highway. I know a few people that own these gas guzzlers and lemmie tell ya, it aint gonna happen. No how, no way...
They are lucky to pull 16 mpg on the highway (downhill with a strong tailwind).
People, dont believe the mileage ratings the EPA gives. Its been proven time and time again that EPA estimated rating does not reflect real-world driving conditions.
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Originally Posted by Vmax2007
Toyota is not any more "special" than every other company the media has targeted in the past.
'07 Toyota Camry LE
Toyota: Like other cars, only better.
Id like to see a Tahoe that gets 20 mpg on the highway. I know a few people that own these gas guzzlers and lemmie tell ya, it aint gonna happen. No how, no way...
They are lucky to pull 16 mpg on the highway (downhill with a strong tailwind).
People, dont believe the mileage ratings the EPA gives. Its been proven time and time again that EPA estimated rating does not reflect real-world driving conditions.
Does your limited experience make it true for everyone?
It all depends on how you drive...it's as simple as that.
Just because the EPA standards are based on moderate driving rather than punching the gas like most Americans do, that doesn't change the fact that the Sequoia is rated lower in MPG than the Tahoe, with less horsepower and less torque to boot. No matter how you spin it, using examples like your neighbor down the street or whoever you talked to in the grocery checkout line, the EPA is the OFFICIAL goverment test, using the same standards for all automakers. Sorry, but government testing rules out whatever John Doe, kitty-corner from your house claims.
I don't know about best towing and most powerful. They've been real conservative, even their truck series. So far, I'm seeing the Nissan TITAN being an excellent competitor against domestic commecial pickups. The Tundra and Tacoma, nice trucks, but not enough beef for me. Not even the TRD models. And I've had a Tacoma before.
What's funny about the Nissan is that while it can tow up to 9000 lbs, the payload (which includes the tongue wt) is actually almost 500lbs LESS than the Tundra! Rule of thumb with tongue wt is 10% of trailer wt, so...
Titan ~1300 lbs payload - 900 lbs tongue = 400 lbs left over for passengers, rear cargo, and that big toolbox in the back.
The CURRENT Tundra has a payload of 1840 lbs, and can tow up to 6800 lbs.
The joke about the Nissan is "Sure you can tow a lot, but you can't take anyone with you!"
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