Toyota in nascar - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

TravisAe86 · 12-08-2006, 09:21 PM

what is your opinion about toyota going into nascar? i brought the new MOTOR TREND where the camry becomes car of the year. some white people if u read at the back of the mag are holding up signs saying that they hate toyotas and everying thing that is jap. i thinm that toyota well do fine but with all the tensioin going on it will be a fight but that is what i like about toyota, they know what they are getting into and is just going at it alone being the only jap in nascar and truck series too. goooo toyota

CDub LXi · 12-08-2006, 09:49 PM

Why they gotta be "white people"?

Why can't they just be "people"?

Just putting a spin on the typical racist remark that one would get if they were to insert anything else.

But Chevy has already announced they are introducing a new engine design to keep up with Toyota in NASCAR

Splicer · 12-08-2006, 09:49 PM

I think it will be good for NASCAR. As to the naysayers, it should be a short-lived tempest in a teapot. As we know, Toyota is big in the U.S. -- they employ a lot of Americans and a lot of Americans buy their products. Foreign brand? Bloody hell, the Chevrolet brothers were French!

supraman215 · 12-08-2006, 10:02 PM

if Toyota in NASCAR truck racing is any indication of how they might do in NASCAR Nextel cup then I'm not too worried about their performance.

OF the top 6 points finishers in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, 6 drove Toyotas.

TravisAe86 · 12-08-2006, 10:19 PM

and toyota will be using there own engines so that will be a factor also

HL2k · 12-09-2006, 01:30 AM

Toyota owns everything

CDub LXi · 12-09-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TravisAe86

and toyota will be using there own engines so that will be a factor also

Within NASCAR standards.... some of their original designs did not fit NASCAR's specs

dandeman · 12-09-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Splicer

I think it will be good for NASCAR. As to the naysayers, it should be a short-lived tempest in a teapot. As we know, Toyota is big in the U.S. -- they employ a lot of Americans and a lot of Americans buy their products. Foreign brand? Bloody hell, the Chevrolet brothers were French!

ditto.. and, to add.....

The new Toyota Tundra truck will be 90% american manufactured content.. that's higher than Chevy, Ford or Chrysler

I'm sure the folks in Alabama (Toyota 5.7 liter engine), North Carolina (Toyota Aisan Warner transmission plant), Indiana (where current Toyota trucks are built), California (CalTy design center), Michigan (CalTy design, and Ann Arbor Toyota Engineering Center), Kentucky (Toyota auto plant), Texas (the new truck plant), Louisana (another Toyota engine plant), Iowa (the Subaru production plant that Toyota bought) and many numerous states with vendors supplying components to these plants... are all up in arms

I'm sure Toyota has intentionally spread the wealth around to have plenty of folks on their side in the event of any political backlash engineered by old school Detroit..

Hmmm.. has there been a tempest raised over Daimler Chrysler? Last time I checked Daimler Benz (a Germany company for anyone not aware) bought Chrysler.. and GM and Ford have more profitable operations overseas than they have in the US..

Toyota has figured out how to manufacture cars in the U.S. and make money from it.. We should all be proud...

My only concern about Toyota entering NASCAR is that they had to "Move Backwards" (build a push rod, carburator V8) instead of their normal "Moving Forward" march of technology...

Avalonman · 12-09-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CDub LXi

Why they gotta be "white people"?

Why can't they just be "people"?

Just putting a spin on the typical racist remark that one would get if they were to insert anything else.

Heres another one.

repinS · 12-09-2006, 11:43 AM

another what?

***Bakemono*** · 12-09-2006, 12:41 PM

NASCAR fans dont have a problem with Dodge because most of them arent even aware the it now a German-owned company.
Im not really worried about any kind of backlash. There have been Japanese drivers who have raced in the Cup series in the past and they never got booed and got a very warm reception from NASCAR fans.
Back when Toyota was first thinking about getting into the truck series, some of their executives went to NASCAR races just to see what it was like. They were actually very much worried about getting hassled by the fans, but they got a very warm welcome and when a lot of the fans heard that Toyota was thinking about getting in NASCAR they thought it was a cool idea.
When Toyota first announced they would be racing the Tundra in the truck series, they had doezens of Cup and Busch series teams that called them and asked when they would be moving up Cup and Busch and those teams showed a lot of interest in running Camrys.
Toyota will be good for NASCAR. Ever since Toyota got in the truck series, the attendance at truck series races has grown and I think it will bring the same to Busch and Cup.
I dont think you will see Toyota be as dominant in Cup and Busch as they were in the truck series though. Toyota wont be offering full factory support in Cup and Busch, so the teams will have built the cars and the engines themselves. In truck the teams buy the finished truck, paint it, slap their stickers on it and race it.
However, Toyota is very serious about NASCAR and they will find success.
I just wish that NASCAR would have let Toyota built the kind of engine they want. It would proove the inferiority of pushrod engines. If Toyota made a 5.7L DOHC 32-valve V8 they would be getting easily 1000 hp out of it. No turbos, no NOS, just running it all motor.
I think its cool and its so great to see Toyota beating the domestics at their own game.

repinS · 12-09-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Octane

If Toyota made a 5.7L DOHC 32-valve V8 they would be getting easily 1000 hp out of it. No turbos, no NOS, just running it all motor.
I think its cool and its so great to see Toyota beating the domestics at their own game.

That is a huge blanket statement you're making there without knowing how engines are built. The stock cars don't make their 1000 bhp because they're 'inferior'. There are design limitations and specifications for them ALL. I am a firm believer that you can get power out of ANY setup if you engineer and design it accordingly.

You absolutely cannot say that Part A and Setup B will make DOHC multi-valve engines superior, when the pushrods would require Part B and Setup C, you get my point.

You make it sound like the OHV V8 will say "knock knock knock, the rod wants out of the block" as soon as it makes any sort of power

pushrods != evil. Old, yes, not but evil.

***Bakemono*** · 12-09-2006, 06:22 PM

You get more power per cubic inch with overhead cams because there are fewer parts in the valvetrain which translates into less weight in the valvetrain which causes less rolling resistance.
I never said pushrods engines were evil, just inferior and obsolete technology.

TravisAe86 · 12-09-2006, 11:52 PM

plus they were talking about when the camry comes on the track will there be boos are ya. all i know i will be watching it

CDub LXi · 12-10-2006, 08:37 AM

Nashville Superspeedway has been using Camry pace cars for the past few years already. Toyota is an official sponsor of the track. Mind you we only have 1 truck race and 2 Busch races there with no Cup races... but there are never any boos when the Camry pace car or Tundra cleanup trucks hit the track.

People are putting more into it than they should.

AND.... 1000 hp would never make it in NASCAR. The cars would be going too fast.... that's why they already have restricter plates at Daytona and Talledega... they already run too fast.