Nothing strange about that, dealers get incentives to use corollas and camry's as loaners, sienna's as shuttles. No reason they shouldn't get one to use Tundras as parts trucks.
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Last edited by toyotafanfan; 03-19-2007 at 03:45 PM.
^^^ other than the fact that they could have been using the old Tundra for 7 years now, but weren't. . . . It's not like Toyota has not had trucks before, why were these dealerships not using their own product to deliver parts, instead of using a competitors "inferior" product?
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^^^ other than the fact that they could have been using the old Tundra for 7 years now, but weren't. . . . It's not like Toyota has not had trucks before, why were these dealerships not using their own product to deliver parts, instead of using a competitors "inferior" product?
Um maybe price? Maybe they'd rather use a chevy truck they bought for $8000 (or recieved on trade) Rather than the exact same spec toyota with the same miles that they paid $16000 (or recieved on trade).
But you are just here to bash Toyota's, so you probably won't admit the vastly superior resale values of Toyota's vs Gm.
Wow, you just proved the point of the article, and didn't even know it. . . . A comparable "base" domestic truck is $2000 cheaper than the Tundra, so Toyota has to give a rebate to their own dealerships to offset this price differential. If Toyota feels the need to offer dealers this rebate to convince them to buy a new "base" Tundra (after all it's a rolling advertisement for the dealership and a BRAND NEW VEHICLE), why would they not offer the same rebate for a customer looking for a base truck . . . . (oh wait, they do!!!!)
And yes, Toyota's have better resale value than any domestic, due in large part to their non-dependence on fleet sales, better quality reputation, and overall lack of rebates/fire-sales. . . . . I know this, as does everybody else. . . . This thing you call "biased" is actually good 'ol common sense and objectivity . . .
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Um maybe price? Maybe they'd rather use a chevy truck they bought for $8000 (or recieved on trade) Rather than the exact same spec toyota with the same miles that they paid $16000 (or recieved on trade).
But you are just here to bash Toyota's, so you probably won't admit the vastly superior resale values of Toyota's vs Gm.
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Most dealers around here use new/newer trucks, they don't use some old beater. And if they are going to get better resale out of the Tundra anyway, why not use it? I just find it strange that even with a dealer buying the truck at their cost, it would still not make business sense for them to use thier own product?
I don't get it. The dealer can buy a new truck from somewhere else and pay less than they can buy their own products?
Wow, you just proved the point of the article, and didn't even know it. . . . A comparable "base" domestic truck is $2000 cheaper than the Tundra, so Toyota has to give a rebate to their own dealerships to offset this price differential. If Toyota feels the need to offer dealers this rebate to convince them to buy a new "base" Tundra (after all it's a rolling advertisement for the dealership and a BRAND NEW VEHICLE), why would they not offer the same rebate for a customer looking for a base truck . . . . (oh wait, they do!!!!)
And yes, Toyota's have better resale value than any domestic, due in large part to their non-dependence on fleet sales, better quality reputation, and overall lack of rebates/fire-sales. . . . . I know this, as does everybody else. . . . This thing you call "biased" is actually good 'ol common sense and objectivity . . .
As i've said (and you didn't listen) Toyota offers dealer incentives for Siennas, Corollas, and Camrys to be used in business operations. So it's nothing new, and not news that they would offer it on a truck.
You'd probably be surprised to find out GM offers incentives for dealer operation units as well. OH MY GOD. So does Ford. OH MY GODDDDDD! So does Chrysler OH...
You mean EVERY factory actually provides incentives to their dealers OH MY GOD.
As i've said (and you didn't listen) Toyota offers dealer incentives for Siennas, Corollas, and Camrys to be used in business operations. So it's nothing new, and not news that they would offer it on a truck.
You'd probably be surprised to find out GM offers incentives for dealer operation units as well. OH MY GOD. So does Ford. OH MY GODDDDDD! So does Chrysler OH...
You mean EVERY factory actually provides incentives to their dealers OH MY GOD.
You get the point.
Next time read the post before you post.
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Are we even talking about the same thing? Even a Toyota spokesperson said this is a "somewhat unique" program. I believe what you are speaking of is factory incentives that dealers can use (or not) when selling a vehicle. This incentive (in the article) is given directly to the dealer from Toyota Motor Company to lower the purchase price of a Tundra for the dealer to purchase and use as a parts delivery vehicle. If this is not new, then why would dealers have had to "go through other channels to by the pickups for their own use" before this incentive was offered?
If we are speaking of the same thing, please enlighten me as to how much money ToMoCo offers dealers for the Sienna, Corolla, and Camry. Is it $2000?
From the article:
"Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong said the program is somewhat unique for Toyota and is a way to gain exposure for the new Tundra, which went on sale in February. Dealers typically have to go through other channels to buy the pickups for their own use, and this deal will save them time and money, the spokesman said."
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As i've said (and you didn't listen) Toyota offers dealer incentives for Siennas, Corollas, and Camrys to be used in business operations. So it's nothing new, and not news that they would offer it on a truck.
You'd probably be surprised to find out GM offers incentives for dealer operation units as well. OH MY GOD. So does Ford. OH MY GODDDDDD! So does Chrysler OH...
You mean EVERY factory actually provides incentives to their dealers OH MY GOD.
You get the point.
Next time read the post before you post.
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That's not what the issue is. This issue in my mind is why wouldn't Toyota corp dealers, buy Toyota trucks to begin with? I don't understand that at all.
That's not what the issue is. This issue in my mind is why wouldn't Toyota corp dealers, buy Toyota trucks to begin with? I don't understand that at all.
Okay, back to the original arguement. How do you know Lexus and Scion dealers don't drive Tundras? Because Toyota put an incentive on the trucks? I don't get your logic.
Did you know in 2001 GM offered it's dealers 0% financing to upgrade the parts trucks to the current model year? That's right. It's own dealers signed Conditional Sale Contracts with GMAC.
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Last edited by toyotafanfan; 03-20-2007 at 10:32 AM.
Are we even talking about the same thing? Even a Toyota spokesperson said this is a "somewhat unique" program. I believe what you are speaking of is factory incentives that dealers can use (or not) when selling a vehicle. This incentive (in the article) is given directly to the dealer from Toyota Motor Company to lower the purchase price of a Tundra for the dealer to purchase and use as a parts delivery vehicle. If this is not new, then why would dealers have had to "go through other channels to by the pickups for their own use" before this incentive was offered?
If we are speaking of the same thing, please enlighten me as to how much money ToMoCo offers dealers for the Sienna, Corolla, and Camry. Is it $2000?
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Your ingonrance is shinning through.
I'm talking EXACTLY about rebates to dealers when they purchase vehicles and put them into business use. For example, If a Toyota delear registers a SIENNA CE or LE to be used as a service shuttle, the delear recieves a credit from toyota for $1400.00.
When i was with GM, they offered $1800 for Montana Vans to be used as service shuttles. Sierra's as parts trucks got $1000. And as i said in another post, in 2001 GM even let its dealers purchase them on CSAs at 0%.
When I was with Ford (in the 80's mind you) They offered $500 on parts trucks
I haven't seen a parts truck incentive from Toyota before, so I guess in that sense it's "somewhat unique" but definately not in the industry.
something you must understand is that all Factories treat its dealers with a carrot and stick approach. They are not always in partnership. They often provide carrots for them to upgrade their facitlities and vehicles in service. Sometimes they use a stick. A friend of mine who owns a honda dealership is being forced into massive service department upgrades. If they fail to make the upgrades, their "allotment" of new vehicles from the factory will be cut back.
Among dealers, some factories have a better reputation than others. Ford is near the bottom, GM is closer to the Top.
Okay, back to the original arguement. How do you know Lexus and Scion dealers don't drive Tundras? Because Toyota put an incentive on the trucks? I don't get your logic.
Did you know in 2001 GM offered it's dealers 0% financing to upgrade the parts trucks to the current model year? That's right. It's own dealers signed Conditional Sale Contracts with GMAC.
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I wasn't trying to argue, i was trying to understand why they would need to do this. It makes sense if they are just trying to get them to upgrade to the new Tundra. I thought that I had read in the article that Lexus and Scion dealers were using other trucks, but after I re read it it wasn't saying that. However in one of your replys you said they probably used a used chevy because of price, that just cemented my mis understanding about them using other trucks....so calm down no need to get all upset about it, i was just trying to make more sense out of it.
I wasn't trying to argue, i was trying to understand why they would need to do this. It makes sense if they are just trying to get them to upgrade to the new Tundra. I thought that I had read in the article that Lexus and Scion dealers were using other trucks, but after I re read it it wasn't saying that. However in one of your replys you said they probably used a used chevy because of price, that just cemented my mis understanding about them using other trucks....so calm down no need to get all upset about it, i was just trying to make more sense out of it.
np, i'm just getting too used to engineers bashing/trolling. Didn't mean to paint you with the same brush!
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