people will bitch if it's fully loaded, people will bitch if it's completely stripped (look at the Elise, it has A/C and a radio), you cant satisfy everyone, all the time. Unfortunately, those that like the AE86 GTS will not like the new one, and those that would be interested, will be put off by the fact that it's stripped..
The only RWD platform that could even be considered is a shortened IS350, and that'll drive costs up the ass, once again, shutting out a nice portion of potential buyers..
it's a no-win situation for Toyota...
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The Z06 out performed the following cars in Top Gear's track: Lamborghini Murcielago
Pagani Zonda
Koenigsegg
Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400
Lamborghini Gallardo
BMW M5
The $44,000 Vette out performed these:
Porsche 911 GT3
Spyker C8
Porsche 911 turbo
Honda NSX Type-R
^^^ The ones in bold are considered true supercars. The rest are not. Not knocking the Vette, but the only good thing about Top Gear's lap time is the fact that all the cars are driven by the same guy (Stig). Some of those lap times are also in the wet. Just wanna point those out.
Ill help get this thread back on topic... The odds are very small that Toyota would ever revive the AE86. I know this because I spent 4 days at the track with the head of Toyota Motorsports and the head of Toyota Marketing while I was shooting a pilot for the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach celebrity race.
They probably should have made the Scion tC into a rear wheel drive car, and that would have been all they needed. It's good looking, reasonably priced, and with a RWD drivetrain, would sell like hotcakes (as if they arent already).
Yeah I hear ya, but if Toyota made the tC RWD to begin with, it just wouldn't be as cheap price-wise as it is now.
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Besides, let's be honest. Let's say they did produce a new AE86 at say, around $18,000. That would be exactly $17,910 out of most AE86 owners' price range.
I completely agree with Doug, there are way too many fan boys praising every time the president of Toyota farts or slaps a hooker, and trash everything else...
That's not true, Razo, of your generalization. I'll admit I'm a Toyota fan (you can call fanboy or whatever but I could care less) but I'm also a fan of many other makes of cars, domestic cars certainly included. I don't put Toyota on a pedestal because I have Porsche for that
So you're saying it's okay (and it's right) for one fanboy of another brand to come here to attack the Toyota fanboys on a Toyota Enthusiasts forum? I see your point Razo, and rightly so in some aspects, but your encouragement certainly isn't helping, and it isn't truly justified either.
Just wanna say you're right, but you're also not right.
that's a valid point, but I'm only going by what he's posting, and I agree so far. Many people are degrading anything non-Toyota, and posting numbers, then when Doug posts equal numbers (Say hp), people are retaliating with "its not the same type of car" and shit like that. Yes, Doug is a fan boy, but I'm agreeing what what he's posting, not his fan-boyism (which we're all a little guilty of, I must admit )
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people will bitch if it's fully loaded, people will bitch if it's completely stripped (look at the Elise, it has A/C and a radio), you cant satisfy everyone, all the time. Unfortunately, those that like the AE86 GTS will not like the new one, and those that would be interested, will be put off by the fact that it's stripped..
The only RWD platform that could even be considered is a shortened IS350, and that'll drive costs up the ass, once again, shutting out a nice portion of potential buyers..
it's a no-win situation for Toyota...
Depends on how much you need to shorten it, because a particular platform is only flexible enough to allow lengthening or shortening (of the wheelbase for example) by only a few inches. If it's too much, you might as well start fresh on a new piece of paper and design the chassis properly from the ground up, which is what I think Toyota should do if a reborn AE86-type car is produced.
I doubt such a car will sell well, but Toyota NEEDS to produce and sell such a car to help the corporate image. If Toyota really does this, it certainly wouldn't be for profit, but then again it is currently in a very comfortable position to do so.
that's a valid point, but I'm only going by what he's posting, and I agree so far. Many people are degrading anything non-Toyota, and posting numbers, then when Doug posts equal numbers (Say hp), people are retaliating with "its not the same type of car" and shit like that. Yes, Doug is a fan boy, but I'm agreeing what what he's posting, not his fan-boyism (which we're all a little guilty of, I must admit )
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But yet the SC430 is a "luxury car" with a million times better interior and refinement not to mention a single recall in all the years it's been in the market.
To have a recall, the manufacturer first has to ADMIT the problem. Toyota doesn't seem to to that often. Many owners have experienced "sludge" problems with their Sienna/Camry V6 engines, guess what, Toyota looks the other way.
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Why do you always compare something which is not even in the same catagory? Lexus is a luxury car brand, of course its going to be more expensive than a run-of-the-mill brand like Chevy. Like any other Lexus, it's expensive because they have quality, refinement, technology and soon to be speed with its Fu series. Before the IS-fu cums out; we'll see who is better over all.
Maybe because some people in here think Lexus actually "performs". You should try to read sometimes. I never said Toyota didn't know how to make performance. What I said is they WON'T, or they could at an EXPENSIVE price. By the time your IS-F comes out, it'll sell in the high $50K or even low $60K when other car makers have already made something better HALF A DECADE ago.
The only place where the STI would have an advantage over the Vette is in the snow or mud because the Vette eats it alive in race tracks, yes, even on wet ones.
Yes, they will do it for alot more but you also get more in return. And again we are talking about a luxury car company so the interior will be a million times better and no cutting corners, the chassis/engine/suspension/ will be advanced, quality and reliablility will be second to none.
Isn't it funny how the Vette uses "ancient" technologies and puts Ferarris and Lamborghinis to shame?
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And again we must compare apples to apples here, it has to be a performance car like the IS-Fu and LF-A not a luxury car like the LS or ES or LX or RX.
Performance is a foreign language to Toyota.
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Let me know when your 2006 C6 will be worth 10X its asking price in the future. Those were American muscle glory days. We are talking about GM unpleasent days.
Let me know when ANY Lexus will be worth a penny over MSRP because there are several Vettes already worth more than they started.
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I'm trying to find who's been getting close to those kind of real world mileage, but can't find any. So, your point doesn't stand unless you know someone.
Also, the IS-F gets the ULEV II emissions rating; does the Corvette achieve that? Maybe I should say Lexus is the only maker to have a 5L engine with the ULEV II rating.
"You may have beaten me, but my car is a ULEVII" Lexus driver screams at a Vette who raped him.
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And again what's sad is someone who just doesn't understand the difference of a luxury (e.g SC430) and a performance car.
This car is marketted DIRECTLY to compete with your SC430. Only it'll make your Lexus its bitch
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I will pray for you.
Are you a priest who will molest me? No thanks.
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I cant believe that someone finally made a video about how bad the quality on the New vettes are! When GM had their test drive show last summer I got to drive both the vette and the CTV. Both nice cars. But the quality was garbage. When I got into both of them, I noticed the seats already started to wear out and the interior was falling apart. My 12 yr old car has better interior than a Vette! One of the cars broke down right there at the show and had to be removed.
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I cant believe that someone finally made a video about how bad the quality on the New vettes are! When GM had their test drive show last summer I got to drive both the vette and the CTV. Both nice cars. But the quality was garbage. When I got into both of them, I noticed the seats already started to wear out and the interior was falling apart. My 12 yr old car has better interior than a Vette! One of the cars broke down right there at the show and had to be removed.
Really? Something like that happened to me. I was at a yard and I wanted to test drive an IS350 and as soon as I turned the key, the engine was violently shaking and the entire car was rattling. When I gave it some gas, a loud backfire shot. I put the car in gear and stepped on the gas and the tranny was slipping more than Kobe Bryant's career. When the car started to move, the engine died and I tried to open the door but wouldn't. I had to get out Dukes of Hazzard style. Popped the hood, sludge hit me on my face and the motor was sitting on the floor. I looked at the window sticker and started to laugh. I didn't expect to see such garbage at the junkyard, but then I noticed the sign on top of the building, it said, Longo Lexus, ran out of there so fast I think I outran an IS-F@9 prototype.
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but Toyota's had a problem with the 6 speed in the IS250 and their response was pretty much "this is why we dont offer manual trannies, we dont know how to do it right"
It was on ClubLexus a few months ago..
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