WASHINGTON - Toyota Motor Corp. is creating U.S. jobs, making friends in Washington and leading in fuel-saving technology, yet will not be at the table when President George W. Bush meets major automakers to talk energy policy on Monday.Chief executives of General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler Group will roll into the White House to discuss Bush's proposal to cut fuel consumption by 20 percent over 10 years by encouraging gasoline alternatives and imposing tougher mileage standards.
The meeting is central to Bush's push to generate support for his energy proposals, which for autos have received a mixed reception from the industry and congressional lawmakers.
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The discussions will build on talks that Alan Mulally of Ford, Rick Wagoner of GM and Tom LaSorda of Chrysler had with Bush four months ago on similar energy issues as well as concerns about Asian currencies and trade.
All three companies are closing plants, cutting jobs and looking for tax breaks and other government help on energy initiatives to revive their prospects.
Bush irritated automakers and their political allies last year when he said they should build more relevant products. He has been reaching out to them this year.
Japan's Toyota, meanwhile, eclipsed Chrysler in U.S. sales last year and is tailgating Ford now. Analysts expect Toyota to dethrone GM as global sales leader this year.
A sign of growing political respect for Toyota's approach on energy came on March 14 when Jim Press, the company's North American chief executive, testified with Mulally, Wagoner and LaSorda at a House of Representatives Energy and Commerce hearing on some of the topics to be discussed Monday.
^^ You know this is BAD news for Toyota, right? As in: Not having a voice at the table when discussing the future of vehicle fuel efficiency and the timetable thereof. As in: Future fuel economy policies are being drafted right now, with the input (or opposition) of GM, Ford, and Chrysler and WITHOUT the input/opposition of Toyota. In other words, Toyota will have to abide by rules it did not have a chance to help influence. . . . .
THIS IS NOT GOOD NEWS, RAV4EVR (though it is amusing you thought it was. . . .).
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^^ You know this is BAD news for Toyota, right? As in: Not having a voice at the table when discussing the future of vehicle fuel efficiency and the timetable thereof. As in: Future fuel economy policies are being drafted right now, with the input (or opposition) of GM, Ford, and Chrysler and WITHOUT the input/opposition of Toyota. In other words, Toyota will have to abide by rules it did not have a chance to help influence. . . . .
THIS IS NOT GOOD NEWS, RAV4EVR (though it is amusing you thought it was. . . .).
Toyota has been living and succeeding in others playgrounds for years. Trying to spin this as bad news is foolish. You are acting like a GM apologist again.
I'm beginning to wonder if you are on their payroll, you are getting so absurd.
Toyota was invited last time this topic was discussed (4 months ago), now they were not. . . . Please tell me how this is good news for Toyota? Furthermore, please give your thoughts as to why they were not invited. . . .
About Toyota's "other playgrounds" and their success, you are correct (to an extent). . . .which makes this "snub" even more troubling. . . . Again, why were they not invited?
GM apologist? Get real. I will tell you all of the troubles GM (and Ford) has (and there are many). I make no excuses for GM (or Ford), and you (and others) should not make excuses for Toyota. This thing you call biased is common sense and objectivity. . . .something many here lack. . . .
BTW, step out of your cocoon and take a look at other automotive (and news) boards. Every other one of these sites sees this as bad news for Toyota. . . . Do you think Toyota is happy about being left out? NO!!!!!
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Some political and industry experts say Toyota still does not measure up politically on enough counts. Alan Tonelson, a research fellow at the U.S. Business and Industry Council in Washington, said Toyota should be able to discuss energy issues with the others.
But as for trade policy and other business topics, he said there are "very valid reasons" to exclude foreign manufacturers.
"The best research I have seen is that they don't add as much value to the American economy as the 'Big Three' automakers," Tonelson said.
Peter Morici, an economist and University of Maryland business professor, noted that Toyota builds a percentage of cars domestically but is mostly perceived as a "foreign investor" whose profits flow mainly back to Japan. Nevertheless, Morici said Toyota probably should be with the others on Monday on public policy grounds, including its potential contribution to a discussion on energy.
"Toyota is gradually going to become the Number Two automaker in the United States. We should be cultivating them," Morici said.
Hmmm, so two "experts" (and there are more) say Toyota should be sitting along side GM, Ford, and Chrysler discussing energy issues with President Bush, yet they are not. . . .
fan, are you an expert? Even better, can you find an "expert" taht says this is GOOD NEWS for Toyota? I'll wait. . . .
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Toyota was invited last time this topic was discussed (4 months ago), now they were not. . . . Please tell me how this is good news for Toyota? Furthermore, please give your thoughts as to why they were not invited. . . .
About Toyota's "other playgrounds" and their success, you are correct (to an extent). . . .which makes this "snub" even more troubling. . . . Again, why were they not invited?
GM apologist? Get real. I will tell you all of the troubles GM (and Ford) has (and there are many). I make no excuses for GM (or Ford), and you (and others) should not make excuses for Toyota. This thing you call biased is common sense and objectivity. . . .something many here lack. . . .
BTW, step out of your cocoon and take a look at other automotive (and news) boards. Every other one of these sites sees this as bad news for Toyota. . . . Do you think Toyota is happy about being left out? NO!!!!!
It's not news and won't effect Toyota's operations. I love how you think the sky is falling for Toyota.
I see guys like you in investment boards every day. They think no one can tell they have an agenda.
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Last edited by toyotafanfan; 03-26-2007 at 12:20 PM.
It'll take more than one missed meeting for Toyota's sky to fall. . . . don't be so simple.
Did Toyota need to be at this meeting, no. Should Toyota have been there, yes. Now the question is, why were they not invited? Are the Big 3 and the President going to discuss unfair trade policies, currency issues, or other "domestic" only topics, maybe.
Like I said, this is not good news for Toyota (despite all the smiley faces RAV4EVR posted ). It may not be bad news either, but I am curious as to why only the big 3 were invited. . .
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I could see how my fairness towards Toyota would be taken as "negative", after all this is a Toyota Fan site. Any critical comments about Toyota are usually seen as "negative", even when there is truth behind it. . . .
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I could see how my fairness towards Toyota would be taken as "negative", after all this is a Toyota Fan site. Any critical comments about Toyota are usually seen as "negative", even when there is truth behind it. . . .
This is only going to be a problem for Toyota if Bush recommends some radical protectionist policies for the Big 3 (highly unlikely). I'm sure Toyota execs would much rather have the opportunity to participate, but I don't forsee them having much trouble conforming to whatever policies come about from this latest meeting (again, short of protectionist legislation).
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It'll take more than one missed meeting for Toyota's sky to fall. . . . don't be so simple.
Did Toyota need to be at this meeting, no. Should Toyota have been there, yes. Now the question is, why were they not invited? Are the Big 3 and the President going to discuss unfair trade policies, currency issues, or other "domestic" only topics, maybe.
Like I said, this is not good news for Toyota (despite all the smiley faces RAV4EVR posted ). It may not be bad news either, but I am curious as to why only the big 3 were invited. . .
Maybe Toyota already made a deal or they think they're badass because they already made the most fuel efficient car and that they don't need to be there. Toyota can overcome any obstacles. Toyota, Toyota.....
Maybe Toyota already made a deal or they think they're badass because they already made the most fuel efficient car and that they don't need to be there. Toyota can overcome any obstacles. Toyota, Toyota.....
Actually Honda made the most fuel efficient car up until about a year ago when they stopped making it, otherwise they would still have that crown.
^^ You know this is BAD news for Toyota, right? As in: Not having a voice at the table when discussing the future of vehicle fuel efficiency and the timetable thereof. As in: Future fuel economy policies are being drafted right now, with the input (or opposition) of GM, Ford, and Chrysler and WITHOUT the input/opposition of Toyota. In other words, Toyota will have to abide by rules it did not have a chance to help influence. . . . .
THIS IS NOT GOOD NEWS, RAV4EVR (though it is amusing you thought it was. . . .).
Do u understand SARCASM? Please try to.
I understand that it is not good news but the kind of People/membership to this board would enjoy something like this...........
Negative Toyota news brings happiness to many here................
AUDIENCE on this board is no longer Toyota Enthusiasts but "FULL TIME" Toyota bashers......... so PHLEASE don't throw the "fairness" crap out again.... but whatever.....
........... but I personally don't think it would be a very big deal. Why I think that? I don't have time to convince anybody who doesn't want to get convinced... i.e... most people on this board.
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I will tell you all of the troubles GM (and Ford) has (and there are many). I make no excuses for GM (or Ford), and you (and others) should not make excuses for Toyota. This thing you call biased is common sense and objectivity. . . .something many here lack. . . .
). It may not be bad news either, but I am curious as to why only the big 3 were invited. . .
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