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Old 03-30-2007, 03:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Canada Domestic sales hammered in March



No triumphal March for auto sales


Forecast: Cars up, trucks down for U.S. carmakers


Analysts and automakers expect March vehicle sales to be flat compared with last year, with reduced truck sales buoyed by stronger sales of cars and car-based utility vehicles.
U.S. sales results for Detroit auto companies are expected to continue to reflect a slower housing market's depressing effect on truck sales and General Motors Corp.'s and Ford Motor Co.'s efforts to reduce sales to car-rental companies. Detroit automakers are also continuing to work through production cuts, analysts said.

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OAS_AD('ArticleFlex_1'); Meanwhile, the three largest foreign automakers in the United States are expected to report sales gains in year-over-year comparisons, thanks in great part to their established success in the small and midsize car segments, analysts said. "Mainly what went up in March was compact cars," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for Edmunds.com. "The trucks are actually recovering, too. The size of the truck market will not expand in 2007, but it will hold its ground. That's going to be a result of new products."
GM and Toyota have new pickups on the market, and GM has a series of new SUVs and crossovers that have been doing well in their first few months of sales.
But even Toyota, which analysts say rarely offers incentives on new models, announced a $1,000 to $1,500 incentive on its new Tundra full-size pickup this week to remain competitive in a tough truck market in which domestic automakers held a 91% share in 2006.
For March, Edmunds forecast:
• Ford sales would fall 17.2%.
• Chrysler Group sales would drop 6.2%.
• GM sales would be down 1.3%.
• Nissan would be up 1.1%.
• Honda would enjoy a 3% bump.
• Toyota would rise 8.8%.
Other analysts were generally in agreement with the Edmunds.com predictions that Chrysler and Ford sales would be weaker than a year ago, GM and Nissan would be relatively flat and Toyota and Honda would see improvement.
GM's chief market analyst Paul Ballew said the automaker expects retail sales to "have a solid month," but because fleet sales will be down about 20% -- or 15,000 vehicles -- he wouldn't forecast a total result for the month.
Ballew said GM has had solid sales of trucks and car-based utility vehicles, such as the GMC Acadia, and a "terrific first quarter" for sales of its Chevrolet Impala, Saturn Aura and Pontiac G6 sedans.
Ford's chief sales analyst, George Pipas, said discounted sales to businesses and other large-volume customers would be down in the double digits again in March. Ford reported a 42% decline in so-called fleet sales in January and a 20% decline in February.
"Our retail business will probably be off from last year as well," he said, in part because of a particularly strong sales month last year. "March was the best month of the year in 2006: We had our highest retail volume of all the 12 months last year."
Ford will see a big hit in its F-series pickup sales, he said, because of particularly strong sales last year related to the reconstruction of the gulf coast following Hurricane Katrina and because of the weakness in the housing market this year.
"So much of our F-series truck business is closely tied to construction spending," Pipas said. "About 40% of our truck business is the Super Duty -- the F-250 and the F-350. That's a higher mix than for the rest of the industry. ... In this kind of housing market, it does hurt us to a greater extent than the other competitors."
But both car and car-based utility vehicle sales will help the automaker to offset some of the declines Ford is seeing from fleet sales, Pipas said.
"I think it's quite likely the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan and Lincoln MKZ are all going to post double-digit increases in retail sales," he said.
Edmunds.com's Toprak said compact cars are the growth segment in the U.S. market at this point, along with the reloaded Saturn lineup.
"The Saturn brand has been doing phenomenal," he said. "The Honda Civic, the Chevrolet Cobalt, the Chevrolet Aveo, the Toyota Prius are all going to do well."
The Chrysler Group, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., American Honda Motor Co., and Nissan North America all declined to provide data on their March sales results until the month is over.
Credit Suisse analyst Chris Ceraso said he expects Chrysler to report lower sales of its cars and trucks and foreign brand sales to be flat to up 2% overall.
"We look to foreign brand light trucks to be down 3% to 5% and passenger car sales to be up 3% to 5%," Ceraso wrote in a report released Thursday.
Contact KATIE MERX at 313-222-8762 or kmerx@freepress.com.


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Ford is in a world of hurt right now, and I'm really not encouraged things will get much better with the products I've seen in the pipeline. Lincoln is an "also ran" in the luxury segment (though I really like the MKZ and MKX), Mercury is a feminized Ford, and Ford has some competitive products (F-150, 500, Fusion, Edge) but the competition is tough and I'm not sure these "good enough" products are able to sway buyers away form their Toyohondissan's.

That being said, I am very encouraged with Allan Mullally's quick start at turning Ford around (and his no nonsense approach to getting the job done). It will take 3-4 years for his effects to be fully realized, but he is doing a great job considering what he had to start with. . . . He did a great job at Boeing, I can only hope he does as well at Ford.

As far a GM, not too bad. Only down 1.3% all while cutting fleet sales. . . .

And Toyota is rolling, as usual. . . . . . <insert 800 pound gorilla here>

I'm anxious to see the official reports. . . .
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BTW, nice title to the thread. . . . though it is customary to use the title of the original article to avoid any claims of "bias". Just FYI. . . .
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BTW, nice title to the thread. . . . though it is customary to use the title of the original article to avoid any claims of "bias". Just FYI. . . .
I threw that "hammered" in just for you!

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I threw that "hammered" in just for you!

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I'm not sure these "good enough" products are able to sway buyers away form their Toyohondissan's.


Is that the term YOU GUYS use in your supremacy rallies.. ?



I haven't seen this term used on GMI.. may be it is your invention. Seems like it came from the heart...

How do you get time to type away nonsense all day long? I am just amazed and feel sorry for the company/organization you work for...
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American companies losing money, several plants in Canada scheduled to close, jobs being lost, economy possibly going down... let's celebrate!
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How do you get time to type away nonsense all day long? I am just amazed and feel sorry for the company/organization you work for...
Engineer's posts = 267
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You should really think first, before you open your big mouth.
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Is that the term YOU GUYS use in your supremacy rallies.. ?



I haven't seen this term used on GMI.. may be it is your invention. Seems like it came from the heart...

How do you get time to type away nonsense all day long? I am just amazed and feel sorry for the company/organization you work for...
You've had to of seen some version of that name on the websites, doesn't everyone call them that? I think I've even seen it here. It's more creative than calling them the Japan Big 3.

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American companies losing money, several plants in Canada scheduled to close, jobs being lost, economy possibly going down... let's celebrate!
This is a Toyota forum in case you haven't noticed. So what else do you expect. If Toyota does well then of course we will be happy. But I want everybody to do well. Competition helps everybody
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[QUOTE=engineer] Toyohondissan's.


I like that name! Awesome! If I magically have my own car company, that's what it should be called. It sounds like a Fantastic4 but for cars and yes its three but entertaining!
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This is a Toyota forum in case you haven't noticed. So what else do you expect. If Toyota does well then of course we will be happy. But I want everybody to do well. Competition helps everybody
One company going belly up and laying off thousands of workers isn't "everybody to do well".

It's one thing to be happy sales are up. It's another to celebrate the misfortune of others.

If Toyota does dominate, there is NO competition, the consumer is royally flucked.
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American companies losing money, several plants in Canada scheduled to close, jobs being lost, economy possibly going down... let's celebrate!
Well, lets see.. If the number of cars selled every month are equal but some (domestic) carmakers sell less so other (non-domestic) carmakers sell more. So if the domestics are forced to close plants because they runned out of work, the non-domestic are going to open more north-american plants to keep up with the demand?

Looks like a simple equation to me.

BTW. Why are some (non Toyota fans) people so angry against the non-domestic carmakers for pushing out the domestic ones?
A. The domestic buyers are the one who are buying more and more non-domestic cars.
B. The domestic makes products that cannot compete with the non-domestic ones or they make the wrong products where there is no market.

As for B. Why did Toyota stopped the Celica? Well, the Japanese en European market for small sport-coupes just vaporised. On the european market only the Hyundai Coupe is available in that segment, but it is selling something like 1 each month.. ..so it is going to dissapear from the pricelist as well. That's the reason Toyota stopped producing the Celica. If they kept it on the pricelist it was going to cost them money selling it. So what has this to do with the domestic carmakers? As the feul-prices keeps rising, more and more americans are thinking about MPG when buying a car then before. But the domestic keep putting rediculios large engines in their cars with bad MPG's because they still thing that america is keen on V8 power (well, that's true, but they are more willing to comprimise now then before). While the non-domestic had the advantage of beeing keen on MPG even before the shift of domestic customer desire. The domestic carmakers are noticing this shift, but noticed this a bit too late. It is just going to take some time for the domestics to win the customers they lose while sleeping through the desire shift back.
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Ford's numbers will be terrible because the heavily fleeted last-gen Taurus is gone. It's as simple as that.

As long as Ford's new product blitz continues to make headway, I don't see much to fret over. Sales are going to look bad for all of 2007 due to the fleet cuts...no big surprise there. In its second full month, the Edge sold 7500 units...I bet it will approach or top 10,000 for March. And don't forget the "new" Taurus will be out this summer.
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Engineer's posts = 267
Rav4never = 1,549

You should really think first, before you open your big mouth.
Rav4never 1549 in ~ 2.5 years = 51 posts a month

Engineer 267 in ~ 2.5 months = 106 posts a month

So what is stranger a guy who loves Toyotas posts 2 times a day on a Toyota enthusiasts site. Or a guy who dislikes toyota posting almost 4 times a day on a Toyota enthusiasts site. Who has the agenda?

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