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Old 04-06-2007, 08:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anti-Toyota Eco-Activists Arrested at NY Auto Show

http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2588

I'm not on-board with the whole Global Warming paranoia.

Someone should tell these guys that first of all, the issue isn't with making cars cleaner, just more fuel-efficient. Even the worst polluters today are something like 30x cleaner than the best vehicles of 30-40 years ago.

What they should be doing is going over to China and India, where corporations are loosely governed, or not governed at all, by laws which protect the environment. If there are real culprits in "Global Warming", you would find them there.
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Old 04-06-2007, 10:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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wow they are hypocrites themselves

They must be from ford.

Considering ford has hybrids also and they have the same trucks. So that means these people must be from ford to only attack toyota.
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Old 04-06-2007, 10:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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^Yeah, remembering that video where ford sent someone over to "Jump On" the new Tundra.
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Old 04-06-2007, 11:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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They must be from ford.

Considering ford has hybrids also and they have the same trucks. So that means these people must be from ford to only attack toyota.
Oh please! That is funny!
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Old 04-06-2007, 12:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2588

I'm not on-board with the whole Global Warming paranoia.

Someone should tell these guys that first of all, the issue isn't with making cars cleaner, just more fuel-efficient. Even the worst polluters today are something like 30x cleaner than the best vehicles of 30-40 years ago.

What they should be doing is going over to China and India, where corporations are loosely governed, or not governed at all, by laws which protect the environment. If there are real culprits in "Global Warming", you would find them there.
The problem also is that we've tripled in population from 30-40 years ago. So while are our cars are cleaner, we're still polluting as much, if not more than before.

There's this saying that in the 1800s with all the factories in Manchester belching out smoke and carbon from their chimneys that would be just unthinkable today, it was actually "sustainable" for them to pump out that amount of pollution into the air simply because there were many factories and that they could pollute and not cause too much problem.

Now, we have many many times more factories so we really do have to cut down significantly on the amount each factory is polluting to keep the total amount of pollution going into the atmosphere the same as before (or hopefully, even less!)
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Old 04-06-2007, 01:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2588

I'm not on-board with the whole Global Warming paranoia.

Someone should tell these guys that first of all, the issue isn't with making cars cleaner, just more fuel-efficient. Even the worst polluters today are something like 30x cleaner than the best vehicles of 30-40 years ago.

What they should be doing is going over to China and India, where corporations are loosely governed, or not governed at all, by laws which protect the environment. If there are real culprits in "Global Warming", you would find them there.
How about stop talking about other people and start worrying about our selves. Canada and the US is probably in the tops in terms of worse polluters and if every ones attitude is like yours, nothing will get done. Also, many of the factories in like China and India is all from US based companies so why not start talking about our selves first.
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How about stop talking about other people and start worrying about our selves. Canada and the US is probably in the tops in terms of worse polluters and if every ones attitude is like yours, nothing will get done. Also, many of the factories in like China and India is all from US based companies so why not start talking about our selves first.
While a true statement, AP needs to be focused on as it is the centre for industrial and population growth. Fossil fuel consumption and emissions are presently low per capita in AP but growing at unparalleled rates. Output in North America could cut-in half and that will do only nominal improvements in comparison to global impacts based on growth in AP.
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Old 04-06-2007, 07:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I wonder how much pollution and waste were created to make that giant banner.
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How about stop talking about other people and start worrying about our selves. Canada and the US is probably in the tops in terms of worse polluters and if every ones attitude is like yours, nothing will get done. Also, many of the factories in like China and India is all from US based companies so why not start talking about our selves first.
I'm sorry, but I do not subscribe to the "America is the world's #1 evil" philosophy. Guess that's why I never made a good Lib.

I think we are worried about ourselves....where do you think all the outcry and politicizing about global warming is coming from anyway?

I have spoken to people who get sent to places like India and China to do engineering work. They say you would be absolutely horrified with their industrial practices. No such thing as the EPA in China. And their population dwarfs ours. Think about it.
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what losers.....wonder how much they paid them to do that.....GM or Ford...
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I do not get your point
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Old 04-06-2007, 08:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
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what losers.....wonder how much they paid them to do that.....GM or Ford...
Well, let's not make accusations just yet. Otherwise the domestic fanboys will accuse you of not having any proof and being a Toyota fanboy in a Toyota forum
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Arrested in NY?

I thought Engineer was from California?
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