Tundra is the only pickup to receive top rating from IIHS ...
The NYTimes reports today that the Tundra is the only pickup to receive the top rating of 'Good" for minimizing neck injuries in rear end collisions. Here's the direct link from the IIHS.
The NYTimes reports today that the Tundra is the only pickup to receive the top rating of 'Good" for minimizing neck injuries in rear end collisions. Here's the direct link from the IIHS.
Yep, Kudos to the Tundra!!! However, your beloved Toyota and Lexus didn't fare too well in minivans and SUVS now did they? Seems your Japanese competitor Honda kicked Toyota's butt in the Minivan and SUV segments. As did Ford's Edge and Freestyle. Overall, I would say Toyota didn't look too great in this report. As a Toyota salesman, do you only sell Tundra's? Don't you also sell other Toyota models?
Full framed trucks are going to be more difficult to make safe in rear-end collisions due to the lack of crumple zones in the rear bed area where frames need to be rigid and are higher up than the front frame section. Maybe the Tundra's wimpy c-channel frame does have a benefit after all?
Also, they don't specify which seats are compared, they say "Most popular seat option"??? Makes me wonder which seats were used in each?
It is inexcusable for GM not to have the T900's tested already. Anyone glancing through the IIHS ratings for pickups will obviously assume that all GM trucks are at the bottom of the heap in terms of safety. Knowing the difference between a 'Classic' and the current model is not something GM should be leaving to the less knowledgable.
I can see this discussion going on in households all over NA. Husband ( shopper ): Yes but the Sierra is a new model and it's the safest truck GM has ever made. Wife ( decider ): Well in the IIHS rating's its on the bottom. Husband: Hon, that's the old T800 model. The T900 hasn't been tested yet. Wife: Well, maybe I don't know but if that's the case then why hasn't GM had them tested? What are they hiding? Why has the Tundra which came out 7 months later already been tested? Husband: I don't know why!! Ask GM not me. sheesh. Wife: Well until GM proves that its new trucks are better than the old ones, neither you nor I nor the kids are riding in any GM truck. Go look at the Tundra. Husband: But Hon I don't like the Tundra I want one of the new GM's. Wife: End of discussion.
This is marketing pure and simple. Putting your product in the best light possible for potential buyers. GM should never have left the T900 appearing to be lumped in with the T800's as the least safe trucks on the road after 10 months on the market.
Yep, Kudos to the Tundra!!! However, your beloved Toyota and Lexus didn't fare too well in minivans and SUVS now did they? Seems your Japanese competitor Honda kicked Toyota's butt in the Minivan and SUV segments. As did Ford's Edge and Freestyle. Overall, I would say Toyota didn't look too great in this report. As a Toyota salesman, do you only sell Tundra's? Don't you also sell other Toyota models?
Full framed trucks are going to be more difficult to make safe in rear-end collisions due to the lack of crumple zones in the rear bed area where frames need to be rigid and are higher up than the front frame section. Maybe the Tundra's wimpy c-channel frame does have a benefit after all?
Also, they don't specify which seats are compared, they say "Most popular seat option"??? Makes me wonder which seats were used in each?
Did you read the release from the IIHS? They clearly stated why there are such differences in the ratings. I'll leave it to the student to do the homework.
It is inexcusable for GM not to have the T900's tested already. Anyone glancing through the IIHS ratings for pickups will obviously assume that all GM trucks are at the bottom of the heap in terms of safety. Knowing the difference between a 'Classic' and the current model is not something GM should be leaving to the less knowledgable.
I can see this discussion going on in households all over NA. Husband ( shopper ): Yes but the Sierra is a new model and it's the safest truck GM has ever made. Wife ( decider ): Well in the IIHS rating's its on the bottom. Husband: Hon, that's the old T800 model. The T900 hasn't been tested yet. Wife: Well, maybe I don't know but if that's the case then why hasn't GM had them tested? What are they hiding? Why has the Tundra which came out 7 months later already been tested? Husband: I don't know why!! Ask GM not me. sheesh. Wife: Well until GM proves that its new trucks are better than the old ones, neither you nor I nor the kids are riding in any GM truck. Go look at the Tundra. Husband: But Hon I don't like the Tundra I want one of the new GM's. Wife: End of discussion.
This is marketing pure and simple. Putting your product in the best light possible for potential buyers. GM should never have left the T900 appearing to be lumped in with the T800's as the least safe trucks on the road after 10 months on the market.
LOL, funny you didn't mention the NHTSA results. I am guessing your cute little story would have been different if you had. But of course, those tests "don't count", right?
Oh, and I would love to know how many wives actually know what an IIHS or a NHTSA test is.
Here's how it went in my house:
After returning from the dealer:
Me, plopping down the paperwork on the counter as my wife and daughter were baking cookies: "I just ordered a new truck"
Wife to daughter: "C'mon Lauren, let's go shopping"
True story.
In fact when I bought her car for her in 2004, I called her from the dealer and asked "is silver ok?" She said "yeah, I guess so". I said ok, your getting an Impala, she said, "fine".
When I bought my truck the conversation went like this:
Wife: If we're going to live in upstate New York, you have to have a 4WD truck.
Me: OK.
Wife: It has to have a sunroof.
Me. OK.
Wife: And it has to have room for adults in the back seat.
Me: OK.
Wife: What are you going to get.
Me: An Avalanche, it will be here next week, I ordered it last week (dealer had to dealer trade with another dealer in North Carolina).
Moral of the story. Guys buy trucks with very little input from their wife and with NO concern for rear crash safety. Trucks are an expression of who you are (as a man), and good wives understand that an just humor us. . . . .
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LOL, funny you didn't mention the NHTSA results. I am guessing your cute little story would have been different if you had. But of course, those tests "don't count", right?
Oh, and I would love to know how many wives actually know what an IIHS or a NHTSA test is.
Here's how it went in my house:
After returning from the dealer:
Me, plopping down the paperwork on the counter as my wife and daughter were baking cookies: "I just ordered a new truck"
Wife to daughter: "C'mon Lauren, let's go shopping"
True story.
In fact when I bought her car for her in 2004, I called her from the dealer and asked "is silver ok?" She said "yeah, I guess so". I said ok, your getting an Impala, she said, "fine".
Since you know I'm in front of the public on a daily basis it is nearly always the woman who does the internet info gathering. The IIHS tests are one of the key reasons one vehicle is chosen over the another. The husband often does the legwork in going from store to store, especially if small children are a concern, in test driving the vehicles but the woman in the relationship is nearly always the final decider.
Iheard on a Honda board that Honda estimates that 80% of all decisions to buy a Honda or not are made by women, either as partners, alone, as fiancees or as mothers. I'd heard 75% as regards to Toyota's.
From personal experience daily these might be a little high...but not by much.
The most famous words: 'Let me talk it over with my wife'
When I bought my truck the conversation went like this:
Wife: If we're going to live in upstate New York, you have to have a 4WD truck.
Me: OK.
Wife: It has to have a sunroof.
Me. OK.
Wife: And it has to have room for adults in the back seat.
Me: OK.
Wife: What are you going to get.
Me: An Avalanche, it will be here next week, I ordered it last week (dealer had to dealer trade with another dealer in North Carolina).
Moral of the story. Guys buy trucks with very little input from their wife and with NO concern for rear crash safety. Trucks are an expression of who you are (as a man), and good wives understand that an just humor us. . . . .
Note the tone of the conversation...and how smart you are in knowing in advance what's important with your wife.
When I bought my truck the conversation went like this:
Wife: If we're going to live in upstate New York, you have to have a 4WD truck.
Me: OK.
Wife: It has to have a sunroof.
Me. OK.
Wife: And it has to have room for adults in the back seat.
Me: OK.
Wife: What are you going to get.
Me: An Avalanche, it will be here next week, I ordered it last week (dealer had to dealer trade with another dealer in North Carolina).
Moral of the story. Guys buy trucks with very little input from their wife and with NO concern for rear crash safety. Trucks are an expression of who you are (as a man), and good wives understand that an just humor us. . . . .
I had the SAME conversation with my wife...but I was talking about an Impala SS she was talking about a Lincoln. We met half way and got the Lincoln .
But we drove by the Chevy dealership and she likes the new style Avalanches (I think they are the best looking trucks out there hands down)...lease is up next year on the Lincoln, Avalanches can come with the 6.0 right
I had the SAME conversation with my wife...but I was talking about an Impala SS she was talking about a Lincoln. We met half way and got the Lincoln .
But we drove by the Chevy dealership and she likes the new style Avalanches (I think they are the best looking trucks out there hands down)...lease is up next year on the Lincoln, Avalanches can come with the 6.0 right
yep, but you have to get 4.10 gears in the rear. But that is not a bad thing.
Since you know I'm in front of the public on a daily basis it is nearly always the woman who does the internet info gathering. The IIHS tests are one of the key reasons one vehicle is chosen over the another. The husband often does the legwork in going from store to store, especially if small children are a concern, in test driving the vehicles but the woman in the relationship is nearly always the final decider.
Iheard on a Honda board that Honda estimates that 80% of all decisions to buy a Honda or not are made by women, either as partners, alone, as fiancees or as mothers. I'd heard 75% as regards to Toyota's.
From personal experience daily these might be a little high...but not by much.
The most famous words: 'Let me talk it over with my wife'
If this is true (and I doubt very much it is) I am going to go home and give my wife a big hug, because that's another reason she is a great wife. She could give a crap about most material things, except clothes.
In 1992, We built our first house and I made every decision as to style of house and location, etc. The only thing she had input on was the color of the flooring.
In 1993, I bought her a Plymouth Voyager minivan, in 1994 A GMC Safari Van (because the Plymouth Voyager was a POS), In 1997 I bought her a Chevy Lumina, In 2004, the Impala. I bought ALL of these vehicles without ANY input from her. I showed most of them to her prior to signing the final papers to make sure she liked the colors, but even that was a formality as she didn't even really want to or care, I just felt like I should.
In 2005, We did have equal input into our current home though. But we agreed on everything right away.
I won't buy her clothes though....lol (Although she is very low-maintenance.)
When I bought my 2000 GMC and my 07, she had no idea I was even considering it seriously. I think she knew I was looking because of the internet/e-mail stuff, but I always do that stuff. She had NO IDEA I was out buying a truck when I signed the papers...both times.
Although I realize this may be the opposite extreme, I think it's closer to the norm than your scenario is.
Oh, I should also add I bought our 2 boats the same way...without her even knowing I was doing it, let alone any input.
If this is true (and I doubt very much it is) I am going to go home and give my wife a big hug, because that's another reason she is a great wife. She could give a crap about most material things, except clothes.
In 1992, We built our first house and I made every decision as to style of house and location, etc. The only thing she had input on was the color of the flooring.
In 1993, I bought her a Plymouth Voyager minivan, in 1994 A GMC Safari Van (because the Plymouth Voyager was a POS), In 1997 I bought her a Chevy Lumina, In 2004, the Impala. I bought ALL of these vehicles without ANY input from her. I showed most of them to her prior to signing the final papers to make sure she liked the colors, but even that was a formality as she didn't even really want to or care, I just felt like I should.
In 2005, We did have equal input into our current home though. But we agreed on everything right away.
I won't buy her clothes though....lol (Although she is very low-maintenance.)
When I bought my 2000 GMC and my 07, she had no idea I was even considering it seriously. I think she knew I was looking because of the internet/e-mail stuff, but I always do that stuff. She had NO IDEA I was out buying a truck when I signed the papers...both times.
Although I realize this may be the opposite extreme, I think it's closer to the norm than your scenario is.
Oh, I should also add I bought our 2 boats the same way...without her even knowing I was doing it, let alone any input.
I'll stand by the several thousands of data points I've experienced. But as I said it's not 100% so your experiences fit within the total population as well. I do know that the woman in the relationship has final say, or affects the final decision in well over 50% and possibly as much as 75% of the 'buy/no-buy' decisions.
I'll stand by the several thousands of data points I've experienced. But as I said it's not 100% so your experiences fit within the total population as well. I do know that the woman in the relationship has final say, or affects the final decision in well over 50% and possibly as much as 75% of the 'buy/no-buy' decisions.
I have always said it was a mistake to start letting them vote!!!
You domestic fanboys are absolutely pathetic. You guys rag on the Tundra for the 4-star NHTSA rating, but when it does better in the more important IIHS tests, your excuse is now "truck owners don't care about safety, they like making a statement".
Gotta love freedom of speech..
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