Toyota developing massive diesel V8

[Tideland Prius]

Sulu, my prof has a young family (just one baby boy... ok not really a baby but still a few years old) and he has a Yaris. So maybe it'll just get by if you have one kid cause then you can use the other rear seat to carry stuff or the mum can sit in the back and tend to the baby. But yeah once you have two kids, you're gonna need a trunk that can carry the stuff.

[Sulu]

Originally Posted by Tideland Prius

Sulu, my prof has a young family (just one baby boy... ok not really a baby but still a few years old) and he has a Yaris. So maybe it'll just get by if you have one kid cause then you can use the other rear seat to carry stuff or the mum can sit in the back and tend to the baby. But yeah once you have two kids, you're gonna need a trunk that can carry the stuff.

Tideland, an aside... I never really thought about all of this before, but now that I fit all this baby stuff in my Camry (which I had before the little one came along), I do not see how I could have done it with a smaller vehicle. I doubt that it would all fit comfortably in my wife's last-gen Civic, for instance.

The current one and only one baby already takes up a large amount of space in the car. There is the complete "travel system" consisting of the rear-facing, removable infant seat, and the big stroller on which the seat sits when we take it (and the baby) out of the car.

Admittedly, we bought the larger travel system that is meant for bigger babies (fortunately, we did), but still, it would take up a lot of space. The infant seat takes up a lot of fore-aft space in the back seat, so that the front passenger seat cannot be pushed back further than my front passengers would typically like to do (for comfort, and to make sure I have a clear view out the front passenger-side window). Fortunately, not doing so in the Camry is not torture for anyone in the front. The stroller takes up more than half the trunk space in the Camry, and it is a bit difficult to wrangle in and out because of the limited size of the trunk opening. Having a hatchback or station wagon, or even a SUV or CUV (I have thought about a new RAV4) would make loading and unloading the stroller easier, of course, but I think the Yaris Hatchback's cargo area would be too small for the stroller. The stroller stays in the car, and to that, we may add groceries, or other baby stuff when we go visiting. Even if the stroller would fit in the Yaris, I doubt that it and all the other stuff would fit.

When Baby grows up and moves out of the rear-facing infant seat and into a forward-facing seat, and out of the big, bulky stroller into one of those portable fold-up ones, we may fit in the Yaris, but if another comes along...

So, yes, no matter how nice it would be to drive a Yaris, I just cannot do it now, unless we have a family vehicle (a station wagon, which, unfortunately, Toyota does not make available in North America, or CUV would be "ideal"), and I have the Yaris as my own, personal commuter vehicle. Hey, not a bad thought! If my wife promises to only ever drive the family vehicle, I could get my Yaris, and with a manual transmission!

Back on topic... A diesel-powered Toyota station wagon would be nice! (Will Toyota ever consider bringing over the diesel Avensis wagon or an Avensis Verso? Even a diesel Corolla wagon or Verso would be nice.)

[Tideland Prius]

mmhmm. Well a Matrix will certainly be a better choice imo since it has a lot more cargo space and still fairly fuel efficient. If you want to go all out, there's the Venza coming out this autumn lol.

Anyway yes a diesel station wagon. What if BMW put the 335d into its Touring model? heh heh heh.

[91MR2quickNA]

Originally Posted by blacken

diesel here in the US is also more expensive than it is in europe it is also less efficient here in the states killing its better economy

the additives and detergents that are forced into diesel here in the states kill any offset of better fuel economy

the aditives dont improve MPG they lessen it, but they burn cleaner thoe.

in europe they dont have strict rules for diesel like they do here.

so of courcediesel will seem like a better alternative

also the lobbyst(sp) and other alike i believe have something against diesel here in the US
brining diesels into the US cost alot more than it does in other areas

European diesel has been cleaner than U.S. diesel for quite some time now, so we here in the U.S. were playing catch up with Europe. This is the only reason MB and VW can release their diesel engines in the U.S. because the U.S. federal government finally mandated clean diesel in 2007 for all on-highway vehicles. This way, European diesels no longer have to be redesigned to use U.S. dirty diesel. Unforunately, to comply with CA emission standards for diesel engines in 2010, automakers are using urea injection in the exhaust to reduce particulate matter to nearly zero.

However, our diesel is still a little dirtier than European diesel in terms of sulfur PPM. We allow 15ppm in our ULSD, while the EU only allows 50ppm for Euro IV standards and 10ppm to be available for the Euro V standard as of 2005. 10ppm diesel is widely available for use in Europe, and countries like Germany are producing sulfur free diesel with less than 10ppm of sulfur and it generally averages out to about 3-5ppm. Euro V is expected to be standardized by 2009.

Even at $5+ a gallon, diesels are still more efficient than gasoline engines. Gas is hovering around $4.40 around CA, so the efficiency of diesel engines still outweighs the cost of diesel gas.

[100$ GUY]

Originally Posted by Sulu

I don't think it is that simple, that black-and-white. All vehicles will need to be more fuel efficient, from the smallest, such as the Yaris, up to the largest, such as the Tundra. And, there is a need for the full range of vehicles: some people will be satisfied with a small car like the Yaris; others, like construction companies, yard maintenance companies (that may hook a large blade on the front to allow the truck to be used as a snowplow in Canadian winters), and such, need a full-size truck like the Tundra. More people may buy Yaris cars than buy Tundra trucks, but that does not mean that there will no longer be a market for the Tundra.

And, with a 35% fuel savings regardless of the size of the vehicle, the large diesel Tundra will save more fuel per vehicle than the diesel Yaris. So, the user of the Tundra may find that it takes less time to pay off the higher cost of the diesel Tundra than the user of the diesel Yaris. So, the diesel Tundra may be a better buy than the diesel Yaris, and the diesel Tundra sell much better than the diesel Yaris, enough so that Toyota can justify selling a diesel Tundra, but cannot justify selling a diesel Yaris.

Unfortunately, regarding my question, yes it is that simple.
Why? easy once again, because everyone before I posted was talking about making small cars fuel efficient, diesel like. So that was the strategy people was talking about, so that was what my question was about.


By the way, talking about a diesel yaris versus diesel tundra towards fuel savings, yes, once again, it is that simple, not need to say so many words, all comes down to this, diesel tundra will save more fuel per vehicle.

But, when u take into account the many factors involved in the purchase and more important, MAINTENANCE of a vehicle and the VOLUME of sales each car has, aint that easy to just say, ok lets make only diesel tundras and not offer diesel yaris.