Toyota developing massive diesel V8

[100$ GUY]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=126532


In addition, the automaker will offer a new version of its existing 4.7-liter V8 that will run on E85 ethanol.

The 7.0-liter V8 diesel has been engineered as the workhorse unit in a new heavy-duty edition of the Tundra pickup that's tentatively slated for production in 2011-'12

Diesel fans rejoice....!

Dodge, chevy, ford.... any fear to compete with a heavy duty toyota pickup ?.... Or maybe will never happen.

[cwayne]

I think Toyota should concentrate on making a small diesel car. a 1.3L diesel in a Yaris hatchback should easily get 55mpg and cost 1/2 that of a Prius.

[ECHOKnight2000]

Originally Posted by cwayne

I think Toyota should concentrate on making a small diesel car. a 1.3L diesel in a Yaris hatchback should easily get 55mpg and cost 1/2 that of a Prius.

I agree. Although I think it would get more than 55mpg. Maybe 55 for the lower end.


But it is good Toyota is coming out with a diesel. Who knows how much that will cost by then, its already higher than gas. I'm sure commercial companies would like them but with gas prices rising Toyota is playing on thin ice as far as return on this stuff. I know people will buy them but that market is shrinking.
Hopefully the economy gets better.

[vasia]

Originally Posted by cwayne

I think Toyota should concentrate on making a small diesel car. a 1.3L diesel in a Yaris hatchback should easily get 55mpg and cost 1/2 that of a Prius.

Toyota already offers several diesel engines in the Yaris in Europe and other surrounding markets. They just don't offer it here.

A diesel Yaris cannot be 1/2 the cost of a Prius, because diesel engines are more expensive to build and engineer than gas engines. The additional cost of a diesel engine over a gas engine (keeping in mind stringent modern emissions) is roughly similar to the cost of a hybrid system.

As for the 7.0L diesel V8, sounds like in typical Toyota fashion, they plan on surprising the market and competition and have mostly been keeping tight lipped about future products. The 4.5L diesel is already confirmed by Toyota, but the 7.0L is not confirmed yet. This does however bring back the old rumour from 2004 that Toyota was developing a large diesel engine to put into a proposed HD Tundra.

[xpeed]

Originally Posted by cwayne

I think Toyota should concentrate on making a small diesel car. a 1.3L diesel in a Yaris hatchback should easily get 55mpg and cost 1/2 that of a Prius.

Toyota can, since they offer multiple diesel engines in their Toyotas in Europe. Like the Avensis and Vitz.

Diesel in North America isn't too popular enough to have Toyota import them here. Big trucks would make sense, but having them in a car isn't a big thing for Toyota or any other manufactures except for Volkswagon and M-Benz since they offer diesel engine for their cars.

[Tideland Prius]

7.0 diesel?!?! damn... and I thought the V10 Touareg TDI was huge.

[Wolfman]

This all sounds very interesting. Our corporate guy that comes and sees us at the dealership has mentioned a few times about diesels but nothing more concrete than to say that it most likely will come out sometime after GM and Isuzu part ways and the next gen duramax comes to the tundra line up exclusively for now as the HD Tundra.

[100$ GUY]

Originally Posted by Tideland Prius

7.0 diesel?!?! damn... and I thought the V10 Touareg TDI was huge.

Does everybody here agrees that the strategy should be to make smaller cars like the yaris diesel instead of focusing on making diesels big boys like the tundra and alike?

[cwayne]

Originally Posted by 100$ GUY

Does everybody here agrees that the strategy should be to make smaller cars like the yaris diesel instead of focusing on making diesels big boys like the tundra and alike?

Yep. In Cali, diesel is 10% more expensive than gasoline. However, a small diesel car is about 35% more efficient than a comprable car that runs on gasoline. Diesel engines also last longer than gas.

[Sulu]

Originally Posted by 100$ GUY

Does everybody here agrees that the strategy should be to make smaller cars like the yaris diesel instead of focusing on making diesels big boys like the tundra and alike?

Originally Posted by cwayne

Yep. In Cali, diesel is 10% more expensive than gasoline. However, a small diesel car is about 35% more efficient than a comprable car that runs on gasoline. Diesel engines also last longer than gas.

I don't think it is that simple, that black-and-white. All vehicles will need to be more fuel efficient, from the smallest, such as the Yaris, up to the largest, such as the Tundra. And, there is a need for the full range of vehicles: some people will be satisfied with a small car like the Yaris; others, like construction companies, yard maintenance companies (that may hook a large blade on the front to allow the truck to be used as a snowplow in Canadian winters), and such, need a full-size truck like the Tundra. More people may buy Yaris cars than buy Tundra trucks, but that does not mean that there will no longer be a market for the Tundra.

And, with a 35% fuel savings regardless of the size of the vehicle, the large diesel Tundra will save more fuel per vehicle than the diesel Yaris. So, the user of the Tundra may find that it takes less time to pay off the higher cost of the diesel Tundra than the user of the diesel Yaris. So, the diesel Tundra may be a better buy than the diesel Yaris, and the diesel Tundra sell much better than the diesel Yaris, enough so that Toyota can justify selling a diesel Tundra, but cannot justify selling a diesel Yaris.

[Tideland Prius]

A diesel has more BTU per gallon of gas that's why it uses less.

It's like saying hydrogen is less fuel efficient than a gas car but you still see them pushing for fuel cells.

[blacken]

diesel here in the US is also more expensive than it is in europe it is also less efficient here in the states killing its better economy

the additives and detergents that are forced into diesel here in the states kill any offset of better fuel economy

the aditives dont improve MPG they lessen it, but they burn cleaner thoe.

in europe they dont have strict rules for diesel like they do here.

so of courcediesel will seem like a better alternative

also the lobbyst(sp) and other alike i believe have something against diesel here in the US
brining diesels into the US cost alot more than it does in other areas

[cwayne]

Originally Posted by Sulu

So, the diesel Tundra may be a better buy than the diesel Yaris, and the diesel Tundra sell much better than the diesel Yaris, enough so that Toyota can justify selling a diesel Tundra, but cannot justify selling a diesel Yaris.

Majority of Tundra (full size pick up) drivers do NOT ever see a dirt road or even use the truck for "work" purposes.

Nearly all Trudra drivers I see are just by themselves in the truck hauling NOTHING. Sure they may pick up their 30lb toddler from day care and drop them off home after his wife dropped the kid off earlier in her Sequoia. Most SUV and pick up truck drivers can live fine with a Yaris and get DOUBLE the mpg. However their main concern is to look "cool" and "rugged" despite being obese and beaten pretty badly by time.

And people who really do need to do some hauling drive trucks from the Big 3, and a much as I love Toyotas, toyota just can't match them.

[Sulu]

Originally Posted by cwayne

Majority of Tundra (full size pick up) drivers do NOT ever see a dirt road or even use the truck for "work" purposes.

Nearly all Trudra drivers I see are just by themselves in the truck hauling NOTHING. Sure they may pick up their 30lb toddler from day care and drop them off home after his wife dropped the kid off earlier in her Sequoia. Most SUV and pick up truck drivers can live fine with a Yaris and get DOUBLE the mpg. However their main concern is to look "cool" and "rugged" despite being obese and beaten pretty badly by time.

And people who really do need to do some hauling drive trucks from the Big 3, and a much as I love Toyotas, toyota just can't match them.

Theoretically, the Yaris should be fine for me, with a small, young family, but the reverse-facing infant seat (the type that is removed from the car each time the baby gets out of the car) that my son needs right now, and its accompanying stroller, just would not fit in the Yaris. I am not sure that it would fit comfortably in a Corolla either, unless the front passenger seat were pushed up so close to the instrument panel that the passenger riding there would be uncomfortable. Even then, it is unlikely that the stroller would fit in the small trunk opening. Even with the (Gen6) Camry, it is a tight fit through the trunk opening.

I see the Yaris as great for owners who regularly only have the driver and maybe one passenger, and only the occasional rear-seat passengers. But for young families that do need the back seat and cargo area, it is not suitable; young families really do need a larger car these days, with all the kids' stuff that is regularly hauled around.

And your point about the majority of Tundra owners rarely ever needing the full capabilities of that truck is not just a Toyota problem. All car makers that build full-size pickup trucks face the same problem. They would -- and are -- all losing sales of full-size pickup trucks.

My point was that the diesel Tundra, compared to the gas Tundra, would save more fuel (and therefore more dollars) than a diesel Yaris compared to a gas Yaris, so the diesel Tundra would be a better buy than a diesel
Yaris. Looked at from that perspective, it is more likely that Toyota would try to sell a diesel Tundra before they try to sell a diesel Yaris in North America. There just would not be great enough demand for a diesel Yaris.

[ECHOKnight2000]

^^^ As much as I would love a diesel Yaris the cost of diesel being at or higher than premium gas would off set the benifits or at least the margin of savings won't be as great as thought. But still it would be nice.

But CARB and other crap won't let that happen. Obviously the expensive Merc has been able to pass it with its BluTech engine. I hope VW comes out with a TDI Polo to the U.S. I'd seriously look into that despite VW's craptastic dealers and reliability.