Toyota confirms 2010 release date for plug-in hybrid
Toyota has confirmed it will release a plug-in hybrid vehicle powered by next-generation lithium-ion batteries in Japan, the U.S. and Europe by 2010. The batteries for the future car will be manufactured in a joint-venture with Matsushita Electric and will start initial production next year before going into full-scale production in 2010.
The first batch of plug-in hybrids will be chargeable from a regular household power outlet and will be targeted at leasing customers, Toyota execs revealed today.
Toyota will also establish a new battery research department to develop advanced power storage technology superior to even lithium-ion batteries for its future generation of hybrid and all-electric vehicles, Reuters reports. Additionally, Toyota is also developing advanced hydrogen technology and only this week revealed its fifth-generation fuel-cell vehicle.
Soon after the 2010 deadline, Toyota expects to be selling one million hybrid vehicles per year and will be offering the petrol-electric option on many more models...
Toyota’s other green initiatives include new ultra-efficient 1.3L and 2.5L petrol engines with stop-start technology, a new highly efficient compact six-speed manual transmission, and plans to reduce carbon dioxide emissions from factories to 35% of 2001 levels by 2010.
Toyota pledges plug-in hybrid with Li-ion batteries by 2010
...While the next-gen Prius is also right around corner (should debut in January at the 2009 Detroit Auto Show, but will reportedly still use NiMH batteries), Toyota recently gave its word that it would also have a plug-in hybrid vehicle using lithium-ion batteries on sale in Japan, the U.S. and Europe by 2010... Toyota has partnered with electronics giant Matsushita, however, and their joint-venture will begin producing lithium-ion batteries in 2009 and ramp up to full production in 2010. Other than that, we know very little about Toyota's 2010 plug-in hybrid, other than that it should get great gas mileage. Toyota also announced that it's setting up a battery research department to develop a new type of battery that can even outperform li-ions...
research into an even bettr battery
soon we will see full on electrics =D
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research into an even bettr battery
soon we will see full on electrics =D
It's pretty exciting times. But even Toyota is saying calm down on the lith-ion battery expectations.
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Bill Reinert said that the demands of real-world driving, such as rapid acceleration on freeway entrances, could dramatically reduce the all-electric range of plug-ins, whenever they hit the market.
"When we see the (claims of) 100 mile-per-gallon stuff, not everybody's going to get 100 miles per gallon," Reinert said.
He is national manager of the advanced technology group for Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc. He was on a panel at Washington conference on plug-ins and afterward spoke to Automotive News.
A plug-in hybrid would have a more robust battery pack than a traditional gasoline-electric hybrid. In theory, with recharging from electrical outlets, it could operate much longer on electric-only power than other hybrids.
Proponents contend that an all-electric range of 40 miles would satisfy the daily needs of most drivers, giving them the equivalent of 100 mpg or more and dramatically cutting petroleum demands.
40 miles per charge is very unlikely with lith-ion.
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40 miles per charge may be what people get
or like what people can expect to get
better worded as UP TO 40 miles on a charge
remember that with cars you can get UP TO so and so MPG
im sure people with heavy foot wont get 40 MPC
same as people get lower than expected MPG
but we will see
we will see
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Actually, it is common sense. If you stop and think about it, how far you will be able to go on a charge will really depend upon your driving habits and whether the roads you drive on are hilly or not and how much stop and go driving you do.
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Actually, it is common sense. If you stop and think about it, how far you will be able to go on a charge will really depend upon your driving habits and whether the roads you drive on are hilly or not and how much stop and go driving you do.
Well, no kidding!!! But how is saying "40 miles on one charge is unlikely" common sense? Nice spin!
Show me some facts, otherwise it's all speculation and opinion. If they said "40 miles per charge under optimum conditions", then yes, it would be common sense to assume less than optimum conditions would result in less than 40 miles per charge.
Show me some facts, otherwise it's all speculation and opinion.
Show us some facts. I'll wait for you to show us all how far a lithium ion equipped hybrid can travel on battery power alone. If you can't, then my speculation is just as good as yours.
And yes I was speculating, and basing my opinion on what I know of different battery technologies. Some people actually use their brain and make educated assessments instead of constantly going off on a fanboy rant. You are the most insecure poster I have seen in a long time. Everything to you is personal, every tiny point that makes GM look bad, you come unglued. It's not personal for fuck sake get over yourself already.
BTW, get educated and go read about different battery tech and the storage energy they are capable of. Then you will be able to make reasonable guesses, instead of assuming.
BTW, get educated and go read about different battery tech and the storage energy they are capable of. Then you will be able to make reasonable guesses, instead of assuming.
Why do I need to "get educated"...you can't teach "common sense".
Ok, Mr Scholar, if you are so educated, post the facts I asked for stating 40 miles per charge is unlikely. I'll wait.......
I am sure the Engineers who have been testing the Volt and have already concluded that the Volt will indeed be capable of 40 miles per charge would LOVE to hear your "reasonable guesses"
Lithium Ion batteries have a specific energy density of 200 Wh/kg. NiMH is sitting at about 70 Wh/kg. So let's say the Volt has 3 times the battery capacity of a Prius by weight, but uses lithium ion cells. The Prius can travel perhaps 5 miles on battery power alone, actually probably less but let's say 5 miles.
So using the above, which is a rough guess because we don't have access to near enough info, the Volt would be sitting at around 42 miles on a charge. And this is absolute best case scenario. Turn on the heat or AC, push the vehicle up a hill merging onto a freeway, the number will drop very quickly. Hence the reasonable statement that common sense tells us the claimed range is going to be less in real world driving.
I am speculating on quite a bit, but I am using the info available to me. Vmax you are free to counter my numbers. But the claimed range of the Volt seems like a very lofty goal. Even Toyota, which you have to admit, has by far the most hybrid experience, is saying that their plugin hybrid with a Toyota badge will have no where near the claimed range of the Volt.
So either Toyota is soon to be very behind in hybrid tech, or GM is being overly optimistic and their claim is largely marketing bluster.
Now maybe the Volt has 5 times the battery capacity by weight as Prius I don't know. But it can't be too high because it will put the cost of the car out of reach. (and increase the danger if the batteries fail)
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