^ It is safe, they have it in Japan already, they just wanna screw us North Americans
But in a more serious note. Japan is where they start testing their new technologies. Cause if something screws up in US, all the people know to do is sue, they don't appreciate that they are getting a completely new technology
Is 2010 Corolla/Matrix have 2AR-FE engine and 2012 will have 6 spd manual?
I have seen Car and Driver doing stock DYNO on a new manual XB showing 150 hp on its wheels after factor in the 12% drive train loss the current 2AZ-fe should have 168hp.
Thanks for the information. I had been waiting to hear if the tire was still on the back. I will now be purchasing a Honda CR-V. Unfortunately, Toyota just doesn't get anymore. The CR-V is outselling the RAV4 by about 40,000 units in the U.S. market. Why? Because Honda understands that a vehicle this size is not an off road vehicle and is too small to be a third row seat vehicle. Where is the Toyota innovation? Why not a diesel for improved gas milage? Why not more standard features so that an equally equiped CR-V EX-L is stickered at $3000 less. I love my 4Runner--274,000 miles of great experiences-but Toyota is now too busy thinking that its name sell vehicles and not 'forward thinking'. By the way, the RAV4 in England is a killer; wish it was here with the diesel.
You will likely enjoy your CR-V but you did not get a passing grade on your auto marketing test as regards the RAV and CR-V.
1)Diesel will NOT sell here. It's a dodo bird, except for heavy trucks.
2)What is the key difference between the CR-V and the RAV? One is made in NA with costs in Dollars; the other is made in Japan with costs in Yen. There is no incentive at all to ship more RAVs here with a currency penalty on each and every one of them.
3)When the Woodstock, ON plant begins pumping them out the watch out CR-V.
4)The CR-V offers only ONE engine. It offers no V6 option.
If Toyota wants the RAV to beat the CR-V it will. See Corolla vs Civic in 2003 and Camry vs Accord since forever. Both are great vehicles.
08/05/2008
August 5, 2008 – Torrance, CA - Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., announced manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) today for the 2009 RAV4 compact sport utility vehicle (SUV).
Equipped with numerous enhancements for 2009, the average MSRP for the RAV4 will increase by $224, or 0.9 percent. The 2009 RAV4 will begin arriving at Toyota dealerships in early September.
The 2009 RAV4 is offered in three distinct grades – Base, performance-oriented Sport and top-of-the-line Limited – and with a choice between an all-new four-cylinder and powerful V6 engines with either front-wheel drive or electronic on-demand four-wheel-drive.
The base MSRP for the 2009 RAV4 ranges from $21,500 for the Base grade front-wheel-drive with a four-cylinder engine to $27,810 for the Limited grade four-wheel-drive with a V6 engine. Prices for all Base grade models remain unchanged from 2008, reflecting RAV4's excellent value.
All models will also offer Extra Value Packages containing many of RAV4's most popular stand alone option features at substantial savings. Savings on Extra Value Packages for all three grades range from $570 on Base, $1,000 on the Sport, and $2,000 on Limited.
For 2009, RAV4 adds an all-new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine that is more powerful and more fuel efficient than the previous 2.4-liter engine. In addition, all RAV4 models feature numerous interior upgrades and a stylish new Sport Appearance Package is available for the 4WD V6 model.
All RAV4 models provide enhanced safety and security with the addition of standard front seat active headrests and an engine immobilizer. Comfort, convenience and user technology are also significantly enhanced in 2009 RAV4 models. The Limited grade adds a new standard Smart Entry system that allows the driver to open the vehicle by simply carrying the key fob and grasping the door handle. The Sport and Limited grades offer an available integrated backup camera linked to an electrochromic mirror. Integrated XM satellite radio is a new feature for 2009, and the Sport and Limited grades offer a new low-cost navigation system. All RAV4 models have new standard seat fabric, and the Sport grade exclusively offers a new, unique Charcoal leather option.
Externally, the design of the 2009 RAV4 is freshened with new front and rear styling with a revised grille and front bumper, improved fog light trims and redesigned tail lamps. All models, except the 4WD V6 with the new Sport Appearance Package, include a redesigned rear step bumper with a black protector molding while the Sport Appearance Package receives a clear rear bumper protector. The Base and Limited grades feature new 17-inch alloy wheel designs, and the Limited also adds overfenders, new color-keyed power heated turn signal side mirrors and a unique grille design with chrome accents. The Sport grade adds a unique redesigned rear spoiler.
The Sport Appearance Package available for the 4WD V6 RAV4 model includes an exclusive look with a redesigned rear door featuring chrome accents and no spare tire. The package equips the RAV4 with run-flat tires. Other external cues include color-keyed power heated side mirrors with integrated turn signals, a stainless steel exhaust tip, unique badging, and the choice of an exclusive exterior color, Elusive Blue Metallic. Inside, the Sport Appearance Package adds a chrome accented shift knob with leather insert, chrome interior door handles, parking brake and vent trim, unique sport grade doorsills and available sport floor mats.
The Sport Appearance Package includes an AM/FM six-disc CD changer with six speakers, MP3/WMA playback capability and integrated XM® Satellite Radio with a one-year extended complementary service subscription.
The RAV4's standard all-new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine is a low-friction design optimized for performance and fuel efficiency. It produces 179 horsepower at 6,000 RPM, along with 172 lb.-ft. of torque at 4,000 RPM (versus 166 horsepower and 165 lb.-ft. of peak torque of the previous 2.4-liter engine). The 2.5-liter engine employs Dual independent Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i), which controls timing on both the intake and exhaust camshafts (compared to the intake-only previous 2.4-liter engine).
The redesigned four-cylinder engine is partnered with a new four-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission that is more compact, lightweight and efficient than the previous four-speed transmission. The new transmission is not only smoother in operation than the previous one, but more responsive as well. Fuel efficiency is excellent for its class and improved over the 2008 model with EPA mpg estimates of 22 city/28 highway on 4x2 models and 21 city/27 highway on 4x4 models.
The available 3.5-liter V6 is the powerhouse of its segment, generating a class-leading 269 horsepower at 6,200 RPM and 246 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,700 RPM. The V6 is also equipped with dual independent VVT-i to maximize performance and efficiency while reducing emissions. Equipped exclusively with a five-speed automatic transmission, the V6 RAV4 models offer greater fuel efficiency compared to less powerful competitors. The V6 RAV4 can accelerate from zero-to-60 mph in under seven seconds, yet has estimated EPA fuel economy mpg ratings of 19 city/27 highway for 4x2 models and 19 city/26 highway for 4x4 models. All RAV4 models meet Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV II) certification.
Cool. Now we know what the 2.5ltr will be. They had to pick an odd number and not a round 180 huh? Oh well close enough
I wonder if the XRS will get this (engine) come this fall? I know it will be still an 09 but still.
I don't think that Toyota makes major changes in the middle of a model year, so I believe that the 2.5-litre 2AR engine will be replacing the old 2.4-litre 2AZ engine over the next few months to a year.
The Camry will probably receive its replacement (will it be the 2.5-litre 2AR or the 2.7-litre 1AR destined for the Venza?) when the 2010 model-year mid-cycle refreshment comes out in early 2009. The 4-cylinder Venza with the 1AR engine will not go on sale this fall when the V6 Venza goes on sale, but will be delayed until Spring 2009, so the Camry could get the 1AR at that time.
Will the Highlander get a 4-cylinder version, with the 2.7-litre 1AR engine? If so, will it get the new engine this fall for the 2009 model-year, in late 2009 for the 2010 model-year, or will it be delayed further, to come in late 2010 for the 2011 model-year, when the refreshed Highlander starts to be assembled in Princeton, Indiana?
The Corolla and Matrix will probably receive the replacement -- if the 2AZ is to be replaced with the 2AR -- when the 2010 model-year cars come out sometime in later 2009. If it follows the example of the then-new Gen6 2007 model-year Camry, the first model year will be a long one, so the 2009 model year for the Corolla/Matrix may last from early 2008 to Fall 2009.
There was also the news posted here earlier that the new, refreshed RAV4s arriving in September will still be imported from Japan, with production in Woodstock, Ontario, Canada not starting until early 2009. That could have been done to match up with the start of production of the new AR engine family (2.7-litre 1AR and 2.5-litre 2AR) in Kentucky, which would mean that the AR engines would not start to replace AZ engines in North American-assembled vehicles until spring or summer 2009.
I don't think that Toyota makes major changes in the middle of a model year, so I believe that the 2.5-litre 2AR engine will be replacing the old 2.4-litre 2AZ engine over the next few months to a year.
The Camry will probably receive its replacement (will it be the 2.5-litre 2AR or the 2.7-litre 1AR destined for the Venza?) when the 2010 model-year mid-cycle refreshment comes out in early 2009. The 4-cylinder Venza with the 1AR engine will not go on sale this fall when the V6 Venza goes on sale, but will be delayed until Spring 2009, so the Camry could get the 1AR at that time.
Will the Highlander get a 4-cylinder version, with the 2.7-litre 1AR engine? If so, will it get the new engine this fall for the 2009 model-year, in late 2009 for the 2010 model-year, or will it be delayed further, to come in late 2010 for the 2011 model-year, when the refreshed Highlander starts to be assembled in Princeton, Indiana?
The Corolla and Matrix will probably receive the replacement -- if the 2AZ is to be replaced with the 2AR -- when the 2010 model-year cars come out sometime in later 2009. If it follows the example of the then-new Gen6 2007 model-year Camry, the first model year will be a long one, so the 2009 model year for the Corolla/Matrix may last from early 2008 to Fall 2009.
There was also the news posted here earlier that the new, refreshed RAV4s arriving in September will still be imported from Japan, with production in Woodstock, Ontario, Canada not starting until early 2009. That could have been done to match up with the start of production of the new AR engine family (2.7-litre 1AR and 2.5-litre 2AR) in Kentucky, which would mean that the AR engines would not start to replace AZ engines in North American-assembled vehicles until spring or summer 2009.
Dang it Sulu! Just let me win this one
But seriously thanks for the informative post. As always you know your stuff. But yeah I guess that makes sense. So we'll probably won't see XRS upgrade till next year when the Camry upgrade goes on sale. Also I didn't know the 4 cylinder version wasn't coming out till next year. Humm. I figure that would be first then the V6. So I guess no Valvematic yet huh? Do you know if Toyota designed these engines they can just add it to the existing engine? Like tune it? Is that possible? I don't know the ins and outs of it. Thanks again!
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As far as I know, no the 2AZ does not use ACIS (at least not the 3-stage system). There are two types of ACIS Toyota uses: a simple 2-stage system, and a more advanced 3-stage system. I'm quite sure the 2AR is using the 3-stage system.
Also, as I suspected, the MZ differs little from the VZ mechanically. In fact, the MZ is essentially nothing more than a VZ reworked fully in aluminum, instead of being mostly cast iron. The VZ also was specifically designed for excellent low-to-mid power, and to have a great overall powerband. Toyota designed the MZ to be somewhat more higher-revving, and to have a powerband that reached into higher RPMs than the VZ. Essentially, the powerband of the VZ was stretched into higher RPMs, and that is the sort of powerband the MZ has. Higher RPM power at the expense of low-to-mid power. The 1MZ also is known for having some knock control issues, which leads to loss of power and an inconsistent powerband.
Very few Toyota engines have used the 3-stage ACIS system, one of which is the dual throttle body 1MZ w/ VVT-i found in the 2000 Avalon. The 3-stage system improves the mid-range torque, and a dip in mid-range torque from the 2-stage 1MZ was flattened in the process. The USDM 3VZ only used a 2-stage system, but perhaps overseas engines received an updated ACIS system. Even Toyota's new UR V8s only have a 2-stage ACIS system, including the IS-F's 2UR-GSE. I have the SAE papers on the 1MZ vs. 3VZ powerbands, and Toyota did improve upon the 3VZ's excellent low-mid range torque production in the 1MZ. Toyota also strived to improve upon efficiency, torque delivery, and reduce NVH in the 3000rpm range during cruising, since that's the average RPM an engine turns on the freeway. Unfortunately for the 1MZ, Yamaha's input was not required (which the 3VZ benefitted from), so the redline was reduced from 7200rpm to 6250rpm. There's no doubt, however, the 1MZ is an overall better N/A engine than the 3VZ.
The lack of ACIS was one of my main gripes with the 5S-FE and its successor, the 2AZ-FE. Finally, Toyota listened (most likely to the competition's 4 cylinder offerings) and offers ACIS on a base engine with the AR series. The 3SGE was one of the first 4 cylinders to use ACIS in its 2nd generation form, which was never available in the U.S. The main role of ACIS is to smooth out and improve the engine's torque curve, which 4 cylinders especially need help with, to create a more efficient engine with better acceleration over the range of RPM in tandem with valve technologies like dual VVT-i.
The 2-stage system generally switches to shorter runners at around 4000rpm. You'll notice a direct change in engine note and demeanor at that time. It's more apparent on V6s and V8s though since they naturally have a more aggressive increase in power.
^^^ Cool. But what is ACIS? I don't know much about this stuff but I do find it fascinating. Also what do you guys mean by 2-stage and 3-stage? What does that refer to? Just curious. Dual Throttle body? What's that? I know what throttle body is but what does the dual do better? Or how is that better?
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^^^ Cool. But what is ACIS? I don't know much about this stuff but I do find it fascinating. Also what do you guys mean by 2-stage and 3-stage? What does that refer to? Just curious. Dual Throttle body? What's that? I know what throttle body is but what does the dual do better? Or how is that better?
ACIS = Acoustically Controlled Induction System. It's basically a computer controlled system to improve the intake harmonics and flow in relation to the engine speed (RPM). This results in a smoother, flatter torque curve and an increase in overall power. A 2-stage system switches a butterfly valve inside the intake manifold at ~4000rpm. The intake manifold, or surge tank, is split into two separate compartments which are connected via a butterfly valve at the end of the manifold. Now, during the time the valve shuts, the upper portion of the intake manifold is closed off, thereby creating shorter intake runners. The shorter intake runners help the engine create more top-end power since the air is taking a shorter route to the ports. Below 4000rpm, the valve is left open, and this lengthens the runners to improve low-mid range torque by allowing the air to tumble and swirl. So, you get the best of both worlds even with a 2-stage ACIS system.
Now the 3-stage system is a bit more complex. There are 2 butterfly valves in the intake manifold. In the case of the dual TB VVT-i 1MZ, there is one ACIS butterfly directly after the dual throttle bodies that has its own little compartment connected to the shorter runner part of the manifold, and one butterfly in the normal location at the end of the intake manifold. There's a Toyota diagram showing how it works, but I can't remember the combinations they use. It's pretty complicated. In any case, it uses the whole range of RPM to determine which runners to use - short (4500rpm+), medium (3000-4500rpm), or long (1000-3000rpm).
Here's a hybrid dual TB 3MZ (3MZs were only available with an ABS plastic manifold, a 2-stage system, and drive-by-wire):
where can i find a diagram connecting the 2Az-FE 2.4L XV30/ACV30 engine connecting to the transaxle torque converter final drive front drive axles halfshafts (engine/transmission) flow chart.
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