185 might be a lil high. for comparison, the nissan rogue makes 170hp and 175lbft. is the new 2.5 from the is250?
IS250 is a 6cyl so no...but I think you're right with the 185 being high. I know it will make more power and be more efficient....it's just how much more power and efficiency. Oh and the initial 2009's will be from Japan with the later models being made in the new Woodstock Ontario plant. And yes the tire is still on the back (but all tires will have the hard cover, no more zipper)
Thanks for the information. I had been waiting to hear if the tire was still on the back. I will now be purchasing a Honda CR-V. Unfortunately, Toyota just doesn't get anymore. The CR-V is outselling the RAV4 by about 40,000 units in the U.S. market. Why? Because Honda understands that a vehicle this size is not an off road vehicle and is too small to be a third row seat vehicle. Where is the Toyota innovation? Why not a diesel for improved gas milage? Why not more standard features so that an equally equiped CR-V EX-L is stickered at $3000 less. I love my 4Runner--274,000 miles of great experiences-but Toyota is now too busy thinking that its name sell vehicles and not 'forward thinking'. By the way, the RAV4 in England is a killer; wish it was here with the diesel.
185 might be a lil high. for comparison, the nissan rogue makes 170hp and 175lbft. is the new 2.5 from the is250?
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IS250 is a 6cyl so no...but I think you're right with the 185 being high. I know it will make more power and be more efficient....it's just how much more power and efficiency. Oh and the initial 2009's will be from Japan with the later models being made in the new Woodstock Ontario plant. And yes the tire is still on the back (but all tires will have the hard cover, no more zipper)
My guess would be that it would be competitive with Nissan's 2.5-litre 4-cylinder engine used in Rogue and Altima.
I wonder if the 2010 (mid-cycle refreshed) Camry will use this new engine, and if it will be the optional engine in the Corolla and Matrix also? In other words, is this new engine the replacement for all current uses of the 2.4-litre 2AZ engine? Will it also replace the 2AZ-FXE in the Camry Hybrid?
Back on topic...
I wonder why the delay? Is it to give North American plants the proper time to ramp up production, without rushing and affecting quality? Could they not have planned it better so that North American (American production of the new engine and Canadian production of the mid-cycle refreshed RAV4) production would have been available at the start of the RAV4's new model year (or delayed introducing the 2009 RAV4)?
Thanks for the information. I had been waiting to hear if the tire was still on the back. I will now be purchasing a Honda CR-V. Unfortunately, Toyota just doesn't get anymore. The CR-V is outselling the RAV4 by about 40,000 units in the U.S. market. Why? Because Honda understands that a vehicle this size is not an off road vehicle and is too small to be a third row seat vehicle. Where is the Toyota innovation? Why not a diesel for improved gas milage? Why not more standard features so that an equally equiped CR-V EX-L is stickered at $3000 less. I love my 4Runner--274,000 miles of great experiences-but Toyota is now too busy thinking that its name sell vehicles and not 'forward thinking'. By the way, the RAV4 in England is a killer; wish it was here with the diesel.
My guess is that a diesel model would not sell. Diesel prices at the pump are more than gasoline, and a diesel RAV4 would also cost more than the regular version. Those 2 factors are likely enough to kill a RAV4 Diesel for North America.
Just curious... what features would you like to see on the RAV4, other than taking the spare tire off the rear door? BTW, sticking the spare tire under the floor is likely a very major structural change (it would not fit under that rear well, for instance) that will have to wait until the next-gen RAV4 comes out (for 2011?).
I wonder if the 2010 (mid-cycle refreshed) Camry will use this new engine, and if it will be the optional engine in the Corolla and Matrix also? In other words, is this new engine the replacement for all current uses of the 2.4-litre 2AZ engine? Will it also replace the 2AZ-FXE in the Camry Hybrid?
Back on topic...
I wonder why the delay? Is it to give North American plants the proper time to ramp up production, without rushing and affecting quality? Could they not have planned it better so that North American (American production of the new engine and Canadian production of the mid-cycle refreshed RAV4) production would have been available at the start of the RAV4's new model year (or delayed introducing the 2009 RAV4)?
I was thinking the exact same thing about the 2.5 in the Camry etc....we'll see soon enough.
As for the delay....I know that there have been some construcion delays. ie. with soil on the site and some other issues that have delayed turnover of the plant to Toyota. They're already building Ravs right now but they're just being torn back down.
I would like to see the RAV4 go back to the size of the generation before this one. The wheel needs to come off the back: not only is this unappealing, but 1) prevents the hatch door from opening vertically, and also prevents this model from having a sliding rear glass 2) The insurance is higher since a rear accident damages the tire/wheel, hatch door and breaks the glass( this is from my insurance provider). If the third row seat is gone, there can be more leg room in the front and back seat. And finally, the dash is a mess. It looks odd and who thought that it was a good idea to place the power mirror controls on the middle seperation compartment between the front seats.
I would like to see the RAV4 go back to the size of the generation before this one. The wheel needs to come off the back: not only is this unappealing, but 1) prevents the hatch door from opening vertically, and also prevents this model from having a sliding rear glass 2) The insurance is higher since a rear accident damages the tire/wheel, hatch door and breaks the glass( this is from my insurance provider). If the third row seat is gone, there can be more leg room in the front and back seat. And finally, the dash is a mess. It looks odd and who thought that it was a good idea to place the power mirror controls on the middle seperation compartment between the front seats.
Totally agree on the size. The Rav4 is too big imo. Though I like the wheel on the back. It gives you more interior room as you don't have to raise the rear floor to accommodate the spare. And regardless having the spare in the hatch or not, insurance isn't going to be cheap. Its a SUV and its deemed as high risk for rollovers. Its the rollover that jacks up the insurance, not the wheel. And almost NO SUV has the sliding rear glass. The old 4runners were only the few ones that had it. And I believe the front two row of seats are the same regardless of the 3rd row? Also they don't sell the car with third row anymore, so that's effectively a moot point.
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